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Old 11-16-2018, 02:05 PM   #141  
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You are correct

So they are cheap bast.... the rest of the year
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:37 PM   #142  
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without a job... because its sooooo toxic

cheers Soapy!

hope your HR cheerleader keep's sending out emails, let your friends know we are interviewing ...lmao
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Old 11-20-2018, 12:22 AM   #143  
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If working at ABX is the worst thing you've ever experienced, and you have reached the point where you just can't even, I submit to you that your life before ABX has been too easy, and you are probably ill-prepared to handle anything else.

That said, I'm 95% certain that this isn't what you're making it out to be. One new-hire quitting in the face of an impending training failure is not a strong indicator of workplace toxicity. That ABX is unable to hire qualified pilots is bad enough without trying to twist it into a baseless commentary on the working conditions there.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:27 PM   #144  
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If working at ABX is the worst thing you've ever experienced, and you have reached the point where you just can't even, I submit to you that your life before ABX has been too easy, and you are probably ill-prepared to handle anything else.

That said, I'm 95% certain that this isn't what you're making it out to be. One new-hire quitting in the face of an impending training failure is not a strong indicator of workplace toxicity. That ABX is unable to hire qualified pilots is bad enough without trying to twist it into a baseless commentary on the working conditions there.
I guess you didnt read the survey results did you? 50% plan to quit, 80% would not recommend it to a friend to work at abx. You must be management type trying anything to find a qualified pilot to rope into working for a company that has delayed a new contract for 4 years. Prove that wrong! That's a fact!
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If working at ABX is the worst thing you've ever experienced, and you have reached the point where you just can't even, I submit to you that your life before ABX has been too easy, and you are probably ill-prepared to handle anything else.

That said, I'm 95% certain that this isn't what you're making it out to be. One new-hire quitting in the face of an impending training failure is not a strong indicator of workplace toxicity. That ABX is unable to hire qualified pilots is bad enough without trying to twist it into a baseless commentary on the working conditions there.
Maybe you're 1 of the 2 pilots that said they support the current leadership?

2 pilots lol
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Old 11-21-2018, 02:47 PM   #146  
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Maybe you're 1 of the 2 pilots that said they support the current leadership?
No, I am not.
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Old 11-21-2018, 05:53 PM   #147  
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I guess you didnt read the survey results did you? 50% plan to quit, 80% would not recommend it to a friend to work at abx. You must be management type trying anything to find a qualified pilot to rope into working for a company that has delayed a new contract for 4 years. Prove that wrong! That's a fact!
Let's try this again. Maybe I should have quoted your post with its title so that it would be more clear.

Your contention (title included) is that "folks are quitting without a job... because its sooooo toxic".

My response was that if you're leaving this place without another job lined up (which we all know is something you just don't do in this business unless you're planning to get out entirely) because you think that this is simply THE WORST JOB, LIKE, EVAR, then you're probably a bit too snowflakish for this business and for life in general, because whatever the issues might be at ABX, they are not so bad that the average well-adjusted adult is going to run screaming out the door.

I further stated with 95% confidence that you were making your claim on the basis of one new-hire who quit in the face of an impending training failure, which would tend to undermine your blanket statement that pilots are simply leaving without regard to future employment because they just can't stand it anymore. That was just an educated guess based on things I hear and things I can see, but now I'm going to assume I was correct.

If you're going to make an argument, base it on something solid. Like I said in my previous reply, it's bad enough that ABX is reduced to hiring pilots who can't make it through training (and even using "pilots" in the plural is overstating it at this point unless there have been others that I don't know about). You could have just said that. It would be difficult to argue against it, because it has the benefit of being true. But a hyperbolic pronouncement based on the twisting of a single quit-before-failure into "folks are leaving without a job... because its sooooo toxic" is just weak, and does more to discredit you than to highlight the real frustrations that exist among the ABX pilot group.

I read the survey results. I participated in the survey. I'm one of those who has applications out there and is planning to leave (when I have another job lined up). None of the questions asked if anyone was planning to just up and leave without someplace to go.

And can we just stop with the "management troll" responses now? That's one of the stupidest tropes out there. "You disagree with me so you MUST be management!" It's just dumb. Do better.
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Let's try this again. Maybe I should have quoted your post with its title so that it would be more clear.

Your contention (title included) is that "folks are quitting without a job... because its sooooo toxic".

My response was that if you're leaving this place without another job lined up (which we all know is something you just don't do in this business unless you're planning to get out entirely) because you think that this is simply THE WORST JOB, LIKE, EVAR, then you're probably a bit too snowflakish for this business and for life in general, because whatever the issues might be at ABX, they are not so bad that the average well-adjusted adult is going to run screaming out the door.

I further stated with 95% confidence that you were making your claim on the basis of one new-hire who quit in the face of an impending training failure, which would tend to undermine your blanket statement that pilots are simply leaving without regard to future employment because they just can't stand it anymore. That was just an educated guess based on things I hear and things I can see, but now I'm going to assume I was correct.

If you're going to make an argument, base it on something solid. Like I said in my previous reply, it's bad enough that ABX is reduced to hiring pilots who can't make it through training (and even using "pilots" in the plural is overstating it at this point unless there have been others that I don't know about). You could have just said that. It would be difficult to argue against it, because it has the benefit of being true. But a hyperbolic pronouncement based on the twisting of a single quit-before-failure into "folks are leaving without a job... because its sooooo toxic" is just weak, and does more to discredit you than to highlight the real frustrations that exist among the ABX pilot group.

I read the survey results. I participated in the survey. I'm one of those who has applications out there and is planning to leave (when I have another job lined up). None of the questions asked if anyone was planning to just up and leave without someplace to go.

And can we just stop with the "management troll" responses now? That's one of the stupidest tropes out there. "You disagree with me so you MUST be management!" It's just dumb. Do better.
I'd say this post is intresting because I never made a claim someone quit having no where to go. That was someone else. But if you can look at the 50+ pilots who left and get a clue abx has no idea how to treat pilots then you must not see it!

We had plenty of pilots quit and go back to their old job and even leave far jobs that pay less. Argue that point!
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Old 11-22-2018, 06:25 AM   #149  
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I guess you didnt read the survey results did you? 50% plan to quit, 80% would not recommend it to a friend to work at abx. You must be management type trying anything to find a qualified pilot to rope into working for a company that has delayed a new contract for 4 years. Prove that wrong! That's a fact!
The telling number from that survey are the % of folks that had had their apps out last year at 8.33%. Most of the rest is fluff.
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Old 11-22-2018, 08:51 AM   #150  
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I'd say this post is intresting because I never made a claim someone quit having no where to go. That was someone else. But if you can look at the 50+ pilots who left and get a clue abx has no idea how to treat pilots then you must not see it!

We had plenty of pilots quit and go back to their old job and even leave far jobs that pay less. Argue that point!
My mistake. I thought I was responding to JustOvIt, who made the original claim. You all look the same.

The argument wasn't against any claim that pilots are leaving for other jobs or for their previous jobs. I know plenty who have left, and I'm one of the ones with applications out. The claim that was made was "folks" (note the plural) "are quitting without a job... because its sooooo toxic", which I thought was a ridiculous claim to make, because the premise is entirely untrue. I don't know of a single pilot who has quit without another job offer simply because they just couldn't stand it at ABX anymore.

Despite the mistaken identification, I thought what I wrote was pretty clear. It wasn't something I dashed off in 30 seconds. You guys need to work on reading comprehension.
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