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Jurassic Jet 09-14-2018 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2674467)
You think Astar is the only one who struggled....we laid off more pilots than Astar had total!

That detail seems to get lost. Over 800 no longer with us.

Industry Strnd 09-15-2018 08:28 AM

https://www3.forbes.com/leadership/ten-signs-your-company-couldnt-care-less-about-you/10/

How many of these traits does the ABX ATSG management have? I counted 8.

ABX ATSG loses more flying!

forrealyall 09-15-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Jet (Post 2674248)
I've heard they recently acquired an Abacus at a garage sale.

JFC. :D

There are a lot of people here doing their best with what they are given, though. You can only shine a turd so much.

JustOvIt 09-18-2018 07:43 AM

Fourth quarter results
 
Can’t wait to see how Hete’s going to spin his bull**** to the shareholders when revenue’s are down during the best quarter of the year .(4th quarter)

SAS flying almost zero after Oct 1st
How many airplanes parked Besides the spares ,3?
Turned down ups contract

Board clueless

nitefr8dog 09-18-2018 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2676469)
Can’t wait to see how Hete’s going to spin his bull**** to the shareholders when revenue’s are down during the best quarter of the year .(4th quarter)

SAS flying almost zero after Oct 1st
How many airplanes parked Besides the spares ,3?
Turned down ups contract

Board clueless

Nobody asks those questions....nobody gives two $h!ts
about labor squabbles....or lost revenue. Only current numbers....leasing and MRO are all Hete cares about...everyone else too.

nitefr8dog 09-18-2018 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by forrealyall (Post 2674680)
JFC. :D

There are a lot of people here doing their best with what they are given, though. You can only shine a turd so much.

Agreed...............

forrealyall 09-18-2018 01:30 PM

Look out for one another out there- with all the stuff going on it can be easy to focus on that to the detriment of safety. The lack of support crew certainly doesn't help.

If it doesn't look right, don't do it. What's the worst that could happen? The airline shuts down?

Whitesnake 09-18-2018 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2676469)
Can’t wait to see how Hete’s going to spin his bull**** to the shareholders when revenue’s are down during the best quarter of the year .(4th quarter)

SAS flying almost zero after Oct 1st
How many airplanes parked Besides the spares ,3?
Turned down ups contract

Board clueless

You are right. The Board IS clueless.

They ought to know that David Soaper is pretty much responsible for turning this place into feces, and responsible for so much unnecessary cost to ATSG.
*Denver training costs.
*Hiring pilots to replace pilots he drove away by threatening furloughs.

Like others have said already, he is a proven failure.
Think Comair and Southern.
I wonder how he will spin this experience off as a success on his resume?

He is not invested in anything more than his own 3 year deal here.

This is a the equivalent of a seventh grader being put into a position of power and who is from the same league of individuals
who also run this company with personal vendettas.

nitefr8dog 09-19-2018 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 2676767)
You are right. The Board IS clueless.

They ought to know that David Soaper is pretty much responsible for turning this place into feces, and responsible for so much unnecessary cost to ATSG.
*Denver training costs.
*Hiring pilots to replace pilots he drove away by threatening furloughs.

Like others have said already, he is a proven failure.
Think Comair and Southern.
I wonder how he will spin this experience off as a success on his resume?

He is not invested in anything more than his own 3 year deal here.

This is a the equivalent of a seventh grader being put into a position of power and who is from the same league of individuals
who also run this company with personal vendettas.

Soaper does not need a resume to paint houses.....and that was exactly what he was doing after Southern fired him and ATSG hired him.

Jurassic Jet 09-19-2018 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2677003)
Soaper does not need a resume to paint houses.....and that was exactly what he was doing after Southern fired him and ATSG hired him.

I would suspect he sucks at that too.

nitefr8dog 09-19-2018 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Jet (Post 2677020)
I would suspect he sucks at that too.

I am guessing you are correct....

JustOvIt 09-19-2018 12:09 PM

Capt class cancelled
 
And they junior man almost every day !

motorclutch 09-19-2018 12:36 PM

They cancelled it to keep Boja in the office. #screwed

cargowarrior 09-19-2018 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by motorclutch (Post 2677374)
They cancelled it to keep Boja in the office. #screwed

Well my upgrade just went back to 22 years. So play my cards right I’ll be captain by age 57. :cool:

nitefr8dog 09-19-2018 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by motorclutch (Post 2677374)
They cancelled it to keep Boja in the office. #screwed

And to pi$$ the pilot group off in hopes they cave and go crawling to the company begging for a contract.. any contract.. and post here saying the sky is falling. All part of the process. We need bag tags that say...who cares...

Keepcalm 09-19-2018 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2677441)
And to pi$$ the pilot group off in hopes they cave and go crawling to the company begging for a contract.. any contract.. and post here saying the sky is falling. All part of the process. We need bag tags that say...who cares...

Nobody does care. David soaper thinks we do. So many pilots are retirement eligible or at the beginning of their careers that the group is steadfast that it'll be right or it'll not be.

atpcliff 09-19-2018 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepcalm (Post 2677577)
Nobody does care. David soaper thinks we do. So many pilots are retirement eligible or at the beginning of their careers that the group is steadfast that it'll be right or it'll not be.

I think it's the same at Atlas. IF we get to vote, we won't approve anything other than a great contract.

If we don't get to vote, and end up with a not great contract, then Atlas/Southern will start shrinking in size, both pilots and aircraft.

actually, we have already started shrinking this year, in pilots, while adding airframes...

Shabby 09-19-2018 08:29 PM

The cancellation will definitely do one thing, and that’s to convince the 151’s that there is no reason to stay at ABX.

mukalel 09-20-2018 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2677640)
I think it's the same at Atlas. IF we get to vote, we won't approve anything other than a great contract.

If we don't get to vote, and end up with a not great contract, then Atlas/Southern will start shrinking in size, both pilots and aircraft.

actually, we have already started shrinking this year, in pilots, while adding airframes...

Heard southern just bought two passenger 737s to use solely for ioe training. They have a lot of new lca vacancies and from what i hear supposed to get 45 737s.. possibly for amazon?? Who knows but i dont see atlas/shrinking in size. The only place thats shrinking is abx.

atpcliff 09-21-2018 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mukalel (Post 2677758)
Heard southern just bought two passenger 737s to use solely for ioe training. They have a lot of new lca vacancies and from what i hear supposed to get 45 737s.. possibly for amazon?? Who knows but i dont see atlas/shrinking in size. The only place thats shrinking is abx.

Atlas/Southern, so far in 2018, has shrunk in numbers of pilots. It doesn't matter if Atlas buys more planes, if they have less pilots, those planes won't go anywhere.

I hope both ABX and Atlas/Southern get great new contracts, and soon.

No Land 3 09-21-2018 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mukalel (Post 2677758)
Heard southern just bought two passenger 737s to use solely for ioe training. They have a lot of new lca vacancies and from what i hear supposed to get 45 737s.. possibly for amazon?? Who knows but i dont see atlas/shrinking in size. The only place thats shrinking is abx.

Who is going to fly those 737's? Flight instructors with 1500 tt?

mukalel 09-22-2018 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2678861)
Who is going to fly those 737's? Flight instructors with 1500 tt?

Probably. Abx is already down to not needing any turbine time to get hired on.. or there is a magical contract decision coming their way soon.. nott

WhipWhitaker 09-22-2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2678861)
Who is going to fly those 737's? Flight instructors with 1500 tt?

Done safely at regional airlines daily, why not.

JustOvIt 09-22-2018 06:59 PM

Known crew member
 
Well hold your breath , Hete just approved
KCM for Abx.

Poor Soaps, he must be furious !

Jurassic Jet 09-22-2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2679308)
Well hold your breath , Hete just approved
KCM for Abx.

Poor Soaps, he must be furious !


This is the beginning of the end for Soaper. He will cite irreconcilable differences with JH and be back painting houses soon.

motorclutch 09-23-2018 06:37 AM

He was furious. I love it.

nitefr8dog 09-23-2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2679308)
Well hold your breath , Hete just approved
KCM for Abx.

Poor Soaps, he must be furious !

Should be up just in time for guys to Jumpseat in to turn in their Ids as they shutter the place....

gumpscheck 09-23-2018 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2679519)
Should be up just in time for guys to Jumpseat in to turn in their Ids as they shutter the place....

Nothing but good news, huh?

forrealyall 09-23-2018 05:10 PM

I'm pretty sure you can just mail it in these days. Maybe Fedex it for good measure.

nitefr8dog 09-23-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by forrealyall (Post 2679717)
I'm pretty sure you can just mail it in these days. Maybe Fedex it for good measure.

Better than being stranded....my previous airline a couple back...the Director of Training called and said if you want a ride to Chicago get on the last airplane tonight or find your own way..they are shutting it down tonight. Cleaned out the crashpad and drove home with buddy..it was a quiet ride home.

forrealyall 09-24-2018 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2679720)
Better than being stranded....my previous airline a couple back...the Director of Training called and said if you want a ride to Chicago get on the last airplane tonight or find your own way..they are shutting it down tonight. Cleaned out the crashpad and drove home with buddy..it was a quiet ride home.

Damn, I bet. At least they gave you a heads up.

wjcandee 09-24-2018 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2679720)
Better than being stranded....my previous airline a couple back...the Director of Training called and said if you want a ride to Chicago get on the last airplane tonight or find your own way..they are shutting it down tonight. Cleaned out the crashpad and drove home with buddy..it was a quiet ride home.

At least they were flying the aircraft back to the hub! When Midway Airlines (the Dave Hinson version) shut down suddenly, my ex was station manager in PHX (an outstation). She got a teletype that the inbound aircraft was/were just to be left at the gate and stipped of certain consumables, and the lessors could damn well come and pick up the aircraft themselves. (I don't remember whether it was one aircraft or two; I seem to remember two.) It would be her job to break the news officially to the crews.

I got a call from her in the middle of the night Texas time. She had the crewmembers in her office, and I got to remotely join their little farewell-party by speakerphone. It sounded as if the liquor kits had been the first consumables removed from the aircraft. :-)

Brokenwind 09-24-2018 06:01 PM

Hard pressed to find liquor kits on ABX aircraft.... Some of the colorful types may have private stashes though!

JustOvIt 09-29-2018 01:13 PM

Typical dysfunction
 
Abx is crying to the union
They need help building the November Bid Pack ! No one is left to put the schedules together. What a joke , I guess I can add Abx Air to the incompetence list, but we all knew this anyway !

midnightshuttle 09-30-2018 11:36 AM

We’re getting added flying

I know are old CP is picking up trips that never show in open time...

Everyone here is skywhoring though

tiredofjrm 09-30-2018 03:29 PM

Everyone? You should be careful with that word. I have not picked up one opentime trip since I got hired 2+ years ago.

gumpscheck 09-30-2018 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by midnightshuttle (Post 2683553)
We’re getting added flying

I know are old CP is picking up trips that never show in open time...

Everyone here is skywhoring though

What old Chief Pilot?

Shabby 09-30-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tiredofjrm (Post 2683657)
Everyone? You should be careful with that word. I have not picked up one opentime trip since I got hired 2+ years ago.

Doesn’t it suck that some people keep on picking up trips from open time?

nitefr8dog 09-30-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 2680140)
At least they were flying the aircraft back to the hub! When Midway Airlines (the Dave Hinson version) shut down suddenly, my ex was station manager in PHX (an outstation). She got a teletype that the inbound aircraft was/were just to be left at the gate and stipped of certain consumables, and the lessors could damn well come and pick up the aircraft themselves. (I don't remember whether it was one aircraft or two; I seem to remember two.) It would be her job to break the news officially to the crews.

I got a call from her in the middle of the night Texas time. She had the crewmembers in her office, and I got to remotely join their little farewell-party by speakerphone. It sounded as if the liquor kits had been the first consumables removed from the aircraft. :-)

Lived thru that too...

nitefr8dog 09-30-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by midnightshuttle (Post 2683553)
We’re getting added flying

I know are old CP is picking up trips that never show in open time...

Everyone here is skywhoring though

"Are" old ABX chief pilot is an instructor at UPS. The one prior to him is an instructor at FDX...who else you have in mind?^


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