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cargowarrior 10-01-2018 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2683071)
Abx is crying to the union
They need help building the November Bid Pack ! No one is left to put the schedules together. What a joke , I guess I can add Abx Air to the incompetence list, but we all knew this anyway !

Ha! Perhaps they can hire all the ones who left back. Surely they realize that a livable wage goes a long way to keeping people around. Just a thought!

b707guy 10-01-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2683688)
"Are" old ABX chief pilot is an instructor at UPS. The one prior to him is an instructor at FDX...who else you have in mind?^


Mr. Shuttle is (or purports himself to be) a somewhat less-than-gruntled ATI pilot.


So, ""are" old CP" is in reference to ATI's previous CP who has vacated the position and returned to the line. That he's (apparently) picking up flying that never appeared in open time is as interesting as it is out of character.



That "everyone" here is skywhoring is patently false.

forrealyall 10-02-2018 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cargowarrior (Post 2683805)
Ha! Perhaps they can hire all the ones who left back. Surely they realize that a livable wage goes a long way to keeping people around. Just a thought!

LOL...for some of us it wasn't a lack of "living wage" it was a lack of "living with you" wage.

But yes, the refusal to directly compete with Atlas for retention/applicants didn't help anything.

JustOvIt 10-02-2018 05:44 AM

OMNI
 
ATSG just bought Omni !!

Hang10 10-02-2018 05:55 AM

Omni guys just got screwed! Welcome to the worse management in Aviation!!!

HeavyDriver 10-02-2018 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hang10 (Post 2684424)
Omni guys just got screwed! Welcome to the worse management in Aviation!!!

Probably load the debt free airline up with debt, and sell off the assets over time. Good business the bankers say.

freighthound 10-04-2018 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Shabby (Post 2683668)
Doesn’t it suck that some people keep on picking up trips from open time?

Some? I would say most. Making yourself available for junior manning is the same as bidding open time, just has a higher pay rate.

tiredofjrm 10-04-2018 10:03 AM

We are all skyhoes. It’s just a matter of how much. Some will do it for opentime. Some for a promise of more airplanes and possible upgrade. Some for JRM and D6 days.
It is a very small percentage that don’t fit into any of these categories. Usually, it those who are already in the left seat with a nice $$$ cushion in the bank.

Reactivity 10-04-2018 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tiredofjrm (Post 2685913)
We are all skyhoes.

Speak for yourself.

tiredofjrm 10-04-2018 04:11 PM

Reactivity won’t do a MIA turn for $10,000? I call BS!

Reactivity 10-04-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tiredofjrm (Post 2686136)
Reactivity won’t do a MIA turn for $10,000? I call BS!

Where are you finding junior man assignments that pay $10k?

tiredofjrm 10-04-2018 04:46 PM

So you’d do it for $10,000?

Grundt 10-04-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tiredofjrm (Post 2686147)
So you’d do it for $10,000?

You wouldn't do a MIA turn for $10,000 and at least 1 other day off?

...which is beside the point because that's not even what's in the CBA. This is a stupid conversation.

Locke 10-04-2018 05:38 PM

A guy meets a beautiful woman at the bar. He asks “would you sleep with me for a million dollars?” She replies “for a million dollars of course I would.” He then asks “How about for 50 dollars?”
“What kind of woman do you think I am?” She replies
“We’ve already established what kind of woman you are. Now we’re just haggling on the price.”

tiredofjrm 10-05-2018 04:32 AM

Exactly!!!

atpcliff 10-06-2018 03:53 AM

I don't understand why ATSG bought Omni.

ATSG doesn't want a reasonable contract for ABX...they think it's too expensive.

Then, they spend a TON of money buying Omni, whose pilots have arguably THE best contract in the ACMI industry, with THE BEST first year pay in the US airline industry.

Seems like they were trying to kill ABX, and just go with one airline, and now they bought a new one???

Any insights???

Note: I wonder if Amazon and/or DHL is actually behind this purchase...

nitefr8dog 10-06-2018 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2686889)
I don't understand why ATSG bought Omni.

ATSG doesn't want a reasonable contract for ABX...they think it's too expensive.

Then, they spend a TON of money buying Omni, whose pilots have arguably THE best contract in the ACMI industry, with THE BEST first year pay in the US airline industry.

Seems like they were trying to kill ABX, and just go with one airline, and now they bought a new one???

Any insights???

Note: I wonder if Amazon and/or DHL is actually behind this purchase...

It's more than pay...they want back our scope to make it easier to whipsaw, scheduling protection, reassignment pay, JRM day payback, disability amounts reduced ...all the stuff we will never give up. Base pay is nothing the real money is when they screw up and have to pay penalty premium pay plus days back.

JustOvIt 10-06-2018 04:14 AM

Omni flys passengers
 
Why would amazon or dhl want a passenger airline ?

But you are correct? Maybe Hete knows he’s losing the DHL contract and found an easy revenue replacement, well additional income .

Asci 10-06-2018 04:19 AM

I’m not sure how much you guys know about government contracts, but they are cash cows. I’ll bet you 50% of ATI’s profits come from the 15% of CRAF flights they operate. It’s the easiest money out there, aviation or otherwise.


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Checkers21 10-06-2018 04:33 AM

I wonder if and how this will effect Kalitta. I know 777’s are being added to the fleet...

JustOvIt 10-16-2018 08:27 AM

ILN night sort Amazon
 
I know it makes no sense but everyone is talking about it...Except Joe Hete...

Hete's latest comment to a crew member was of course I see a lot of activity around the old sort building, but that doesn't mean I know what's going on...

Come on Joe... spill the beans.. of course ABX,ATI or ATLAS have no idea who the players are, and why Amazon is waiting is anyone guess. DHL knows...but it's happening

ah those vans rides to ILN what fun !

Industry Strnd 10-16-2018 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2692143)
I know it makes no sense but everyone is talking about it...Except Joe Hete...

Hete's latest comment to a crew member was of course I see a lot of activity around the old sort building, but that doesn't mean I know what's going on...

Come on Joe... spill the beans.. of course ABX,ATI or ATLAS have no idea who the players are, and why Amazon is waiting is anyone guess. DHL knows...but it's happening

ah those vans rides to ILN what fun !

Move along nothing to see here. ABX cannot fly and additional planes until they cave per soper which they will not and kiss DHL contract goodbye. Cause Soaper will try threaten losing it .....or they won't pay and again they can go pound sand. Pay the industry rate or give it away! The hayride is over ATSG.

nitefr8dog 10-16-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2692143)
I know it makes no sense but everyone is talking about it...Except Joe Hete...

Hete's latest comment to a crew member was of course I see a lot of activity around the old sort building, but that doesn't mean I know what's going on...

Come on Joe... spill the beans.. of course ABX,ATI or ATLAS have no idea who the players are, and why Amazon is waiting is anyone guess. DHL knows...but it's happening

ah those vans rides to ILN what fun !

He probably does not have a clue...just look at what has been going on with the airline. It seems like he is not hitting on all cylinders any more....he's no spring chicken

JustOvIt 10-18-2018 04:30 AM

here we go again
 
scheduling playing games on how they assign JRM assignments...

schedulers admit I did not want to assign trip as it was built but soapers fledgling PF said no

past practice JOE... did you not learn from your mistakes in 16 !

Just say No to JRM ...grow some

nitefr8dog 10-18-2018 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2693449)
scheduling playing games on how they assign JRM assignments...

schedulers admit I did not want to assign trip as it was built but soapers fledgling PF said no

past practice JOE... did you not learn from your mistakes in 16 !

Just say No to JRM ...grow some

Joe? Again he does not know who we are unless the airplanes don't move. We are nothing in his overall plan

JustOvIt 10-25-2018 02:55 AM

Laughing Stock!
 
so abx installed a new phone system past couple days. They sent out emails about disruptions...

they sent out emails with temporary numbers to use..

guess what.. not only did the temporary numbers not work but several key staff members received new phone numbers ... you know like scheduling....

did the idiots tell the pilot group oh here are the new numbers

NO you just can't make this sh.t up!

motorclutch 10-25-2018 04:26 AM

I for one will not be contacting scheduling!

JustOvIt 10-26-2018 06:16 PM

Interesting
 
Hete in Seattle this week

post amongst yourselves...

sixpack 10-27-2018 02:46 PM

What’s he doing in Seattle?

nitefr8dog 10-27-2018 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sixpack (Post 2698814)
What’s he doing in Seattle?

Begging....

JustOvIt 10-27-2018 07:06 PM

don't shoot the messenger
 
something is happening in ILN against all common sense....

kolt66 10-27-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JustOvIt (Post 2698916)
something is happening in ILN against all common sense....

And what is that? A buyout?

woog315 10-27-2018 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kolt66 (Post 2698927)
And what is that? A buyout?

I'm sure he's talking about Amazon restarting a sort in ILN, which according to several *non-pilot* sources is a done deal. I feel sorry for the people in ILN... and ONT... and PVD and all the other places that decent hard working people have been screwed over by this constantly changing amazon system. It's going to result in no one worth a **** wanting to work for them, but they don't seem to care. They'll probably get away with it and manage to find workers because they are big enough, but it sure is demoralizing to be a part of.

JustOvIt 10-27-2018 07:55 PM

just go to ILN
 
and see all the activity around the old sort building.. honestly
the ILN community is not going to be receptive to another come work for us story at min wage pay...

makes no sense how this will be spun...

when will the players be announced is the question...

MarkThyme 10-27-2018 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixpack (Post 2698814)
What’s he doing in Seattle?

Hmmm...yes...what is he doing in Seattle? Why would he be there? What business does ATSG have in Seattle? Let me think for a minute. I’m sure I’ll come up with it.

MarkThyme 10-27-2018 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by woog315 (Post 2698933)
They'll probably get away with it and manage to find workers because they are big enough, but it sure is demoralizing to be a part of.

In what way are you “a part of” it? Are you one of those guys with the Prime Air bag tags?

woog315 10-28-2018 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkThyme (Post 2698969)
In what way are you “a part of” it? Are you one of those guys with the Prime Air bag tags?

Stop being obtuse, anyone who works in any capacity for them (it's contractors at nearly every level) sees what is going on. And no, I don't have a prime bag tag or work for ATI (not that it matters)

MarkThyme 10-28-2018 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by woog315 (Post 2699030)
Stop being obtuse, anyone who works in any capacity for them (it's contractors at nearly every level) sees what is going on. And no, I don't have a prime bag tag or work for ATI (not that it matters)

I'm hardly being obtuse. I'm no more a "part of" Amazon than I am of any other company that pays for the services of my employer. That's the knock on the guys with the Amazon Prime bag tags, is it not? I don't identify in any way with the companies that do business with my employer, and within certain limits, I really don't care who it is. I'm just a guy doing a job and drawing a paycheck.

No Land 3 10-29-2018 06:43 PM

Talking to Boeing?

nitefr8dog 10-30-2018 04:37 AM

Getting fresh fish?


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