Legal weed?

That would explain some of the decisions and the way things have been run lately...

I wonder if ATSG will see how Soapers actions could shut down the airline?

Incredible article CEO OF AMERICAN AILRINES
 

Asks their employees what would you say about AA in just three words 3

Story is on FlightAware

Oh my can you imagine if Soapy or Hete asked us

Here’s mine

Greed, Dysfunctional , Toxic

I thought TOXIC should have been first and in caps! Biggest ****hole in Aviation now!

It continues
 

The incompetence continues. In the current economy ABX is now down to 21 aircraft from the 28 listed on APC. As every other airline is hiring and growing ABX just wants to play the whipsaw game. Stall stall stall negotiation is managements game along with continually delaying any chance of labor peace.

This is news?

Ya. A 25% reduction in the fleet that the ABX APC home page shows is news. Bad news.

Stop listening
 

TO MALONEY , TO ABX

His BS pep talks , WAKE UP FOLKS

Just stop !

Delay, Deny, until they die!

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Do you really think anybody relies on information published or printed on APC as actual or factual? If so they are complete idiots. All the threads about ABX for the last 2 yrs have been about its slow death and winding down. It would be a surprise that ABX is now operating fewer aircraft? Wow.

Let's hope it turns out better than the ATI/Capitol purchase that was a total money pit. All their book of business lost shortly after and nothing but junk airplanes requiring a total refleet. Lost millions for years...

It has nothing to do with passengers.

It has much to do with Amazon / DHL

ABX days are numbered

Those are my three observations. They’re worth what you paid for them

ABX pilot group
 

Better wake up

negotiations this past week went backwards!!
I know surprise surprise

Thought just maybe not having the lawyers and the chief idiot soap around was going to be a positive step forward

NOT

Wake up to what? Pretty sure every pilot at ABX knows by now there will be no new contract.
Did you really expect some meaningful negotiations to take place..really?

Everybody hates Soapass team! The end is closer! Evan the Medation Board hates them! Lol. Time to roll up The sleeves and get ready!

Who is Evan the Mediation Board? Is he any relation to Roger the Shrubber?

He cut down the largest tree in the forest, with a Herring!

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Wake up VP of OPS
 

We get an email that ABX will be providing free coffee turkey morning

WAKE UP corporate america offers free
Coffee to its employees 24/7

TOXIC!!!

Learn to read, JustOvIt
 

Read the e-mail again. Free coffee starts the 23rd and continues through Christmas.

If you're going to complain (and let's be honest - that's pretty much your entire reason for being here), you should at least complain accurately. Lazy, sloppy whingeing is the worst kind of whingeing.

I’m sorry
 

You are correct

So they are cheap bast.... the rest of the year

folks quitting
 

without a job... because its sooooo toxic

cheers Soapy!

hope your HR cheerleader keep's sending out emails, let your friends know we are interviewing ...lmao

If working at ABX is the worst thing you've ever experienced, and you have reached the point where you just can't even, I submit to you that your life before ABX has been too easy, and you are probably ill-prepared to handle anything else.

That said, I'm 95% certain that this isn't what you're making it out to be. One new-hire quitting in the face of an impending training failure is not a strong indicator of workplace toxicity. That ABX is unable to hire qualified pilots is bad enough without trying to twist it into a baseless commentary on the working conditions there.

I guess you didnt read the survey results did you? 50% plan to quit, 80% would not recommend it to a friend to work at abx. You must be management type trying anything to find a qualified pilot to rope into working for a company that has delayed a new contract for 4 years. Prove that wrong! That's a fact!

Maybe you're 1 of the 2 pilots that said they support the current leadership?

2 pilots lol

No, I am not.

Let's try this again. Maybe I should have quoted your post with its title so that it would be more clear.

Your contention (title included) is that "folks are quitting without a job... because its sooooo toxic".

My response was that if you're leaving this place without another job lined up (which we all know is something you just don't do in this business unless you're planning to get out entirely) because you think that this is simply THE WORST JOB, LIKE, EVAR, then you're probably a bit too snowflakish for this business and for life in general, because whatever the issues might be at ABX, they are not so bad that the average well-adjusted adult is going to run screaming out the door.

I further stated with 95% confidence that you were making your claim on the basis of one new-hire who quit in the face of an impending training failure, which would tend to undermine your blanket statement that pilots are simply leaving without regard to future employment because they just can't stand it anymore. That was just an educated guess based on things I hear and things I can see, but now I'm going to assume I was correct.

If you're going to make an argument, base it on something solid. Like I said in my previous reply, it's bad enough that ABX is reduced to hiring pilots who can't make it through training (and even using "pilots" in the plural is overstating it at this point unless there have been others that I don't know about). You could have just said that. It would be difficult to argue against it, because it has the benefit of being true. But a hyperbolic pronouncement based on the twisting of a single quit-before-failure into "folks are leaving without a job... because its sooooo toxic" is just weak, and does more to discredit you than to highlight the real frustrations that exist among the ABX pilot group.

I read the survey results. I participated in the survey. I'm one of those who has applications out there and is planning to leave (when I have another job lined up). None of the questions asked if anyone was planning to just up and leave without someplace to go.

And can we just stop with the "management troll" responses now? That's one of the stupidest tropes out there. "You disagree with me so you MUST be management!" It's just dumb. Do better.

I'd say this post is intresting because I never made a claim someone quit having no where to go. That was someone else. But if you can look at the 50+ pilots who left and get a clue abx has no idea how to treat pilots then you must not see it!

We had plenty of pilots quit and go back to their old job and even leave far jobs that pay less. Argue that point!

The telling number from that survey are the % of folks that had had their apps out last year at 8.33%. Most of the rest is fluff.

My mistake. I thought I was responding to JustOvIt, who made the original claim. You all look the same.

The argument wasn't against any claim that pilots are leaving for other jobs or for their previous jobs. I know plenty who have left, and I'm one of the ones with applications out. The claim that was made was "folks" (note the plural) "are quitting without a job... because its sooooo toxic", which I thought was a ridiculous claim to make, because the premise is entirely untrue. I don't know of a single pilot who has quit without another job offer simply because they just couldn't stand it at ABX anymore.

Despite the mistaken identification, I thought what I wrote was pretty clear. It wasn't something I dashed off in 30 seconds. You guys need to work on reading comprehension.

There were plenty who quit that says it all. And more to come. Hopefully including those who get on here and support management abusing the rla. Are you that check airmen that everybody says is a real tool to fly with?

Not as far as I know.

Are you that FO that everybody says is a real tool to fly with?

Can’t wait to see how ATSG tries to spin ABX’s lack of 4th quarter revenue during the next Earnings Call. JH should invite Soaper to the table and have him tap dance around it.

Nobody cares....

^^^This^^^

Sudsy is JH's puppet anyways. He does nothing without his knowledge and/or direction from him. Probably can't even pass gas without permission.

Until the same tired analysts grow a set and start asking real questions rather than softballs, the earnings calls will remain a joke IMO.

Perfectly said...nobody wants to stir the pot...

ATSG is the golden piggy bank for Joe Hete, Quint Turner and the rest of the company officers.....board of directors. No dividends paid to shareholders. Just a cash churn for bonuses. The shell game might be coming to an end.

New hire did quit
 

So yes a new hire quit before his 100 hours and yes without a job and yes Mark I waited to reply to your post till he pulled the trigger

TOXIC

Wow, that's great. You're awesome.

The good news, then, is that nobody needs to stay in this TOXIC place. If no-time new-hires are leaving without jobs, so can you.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Coming from a line check pilot. New hires beware this is a guy who you will have to fly with. Instead of trying to get a contract he wants to convince you that it's not that bad. But then tell you you don't know how to fly.