Thinking about Cargo? - A Contract Comparison
#72
16-01 bid had a 6yr Airbus Captain, and at least 18 757 captains with less than 18 months. Some had less than a year on property when awarded the upgrade.
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#76
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 684
hello, just a quick question, need your help and some suggestions,,,,
do you guys think moving from Skywest Airlines to ATLAS, Would be a good move?
I really don't mined night flying or be away from home for 17days, but it looks like there is lot of hidden fees will come off your paycheck,
recently they contact me and now even they providing confirmed ticket with Hotel for my interview
just don't want to stay in regional trying to move up...
any help appreciate
do you guys think moving from Skywest Airlines to ATLAS, Would be a good move?
I really don't mined night flying or be away from home for 17days, but it looks like there is lot of hidden fees will come off your paycheck,
recently they contact me and now even they providing confirmed ticket with Hotel for my interview
just don't want to stay in regional trying to move up...
any help appreciate
First, you absolutely must do your research about the current pay and work rules in force today. I cannot count how many times people come from the regionals and then complain about the work rules here, saying they are better in the regionals.
If you come and find yourself unpleasantly surprised that's YOUR fault, and of course also the fault of the recruiters who probably misled, or flat out lied to you during the recruitment process.
Second, realize that the company and the union are in a full blown, knock down drag out, gutter fight.
Third, there is a lot of short to medium term uncertainty with the direction of the company, given the influence of Amazon, DHL and the latest crash. You need to be prepared for ANY consequence those three factors may impose on the operation.
If you can handle the low pay, horrible work rules and turbulent (to put it mildly) work environment then come on over, but I highly recommend you keep some other apps updated just in case it doesn't turn out to be your cup of tea.
#77
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 160
I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I will give you some advice.
First, you absolutely must do your research about the current pay and work rules in force today. I cannot count how many times people come from the regionals and then complain about the work rules here, saying they are better in the regionals.
If you come and find yourself unpleasantly surprised that's YOUR fault, and of course also the fault of the recruiters who probably misled, or flat out lied to you during the recruitment process.
Second, realize that the company and the union are in a full blown, knock down drag out, gutter fight.
Third, there is a lot of short to medium term uncertainty with the direction of the company, given the influence of Amazon, DHL and the latest crash. You need to be prepared for ANY consequence those three factors may impose on the operation.
If you can handle the low pay, horrible work rules and turbulent (to put it mildly) work environment then come on over, but I highly recommend you keep some other apps updated just in case it doesn't turn out to be your cup of tea.
First, you absolutely must do your research about the current pay and work rules in force today. I cannot count how many times people come from the regionals and then complain about the work rules here, saying they are better in the regionals.
If you come and find yourself unpleasantly surprised that's YOUR fault, and of course also the fault of the recruiters who probably misled, or flat out lied to you during the recruitment process.
Second, realize that the company and the union are in a full blown, knock down drag out, gutter fight.
Third, there is a lot of short to medium term uncertainty with the direction of the company, given the influence of Amazon, DHL and the latest crash. You need to be prepared for ANY consequence those three factors may impose on the operation.
If you can handle the low pay, horrible work rules and turbulent (to put it mildly) work environment then come on over, but I highly recommend you keep some other apps updated just in case it doesn't turn out to be your cup of tea.
#78
The truck driver mentality is exactly why most of the Atlas guys were thinking good riddance when you left our union. If you somehow do not see or believe that ATSG, Atlas/Southern, and Kalitta are not in direct competition with UPS and FedEx, then I think we should all be telling you to get a grip.
Whether you realize it or not, Amazon and DHL are using our airlines to go after UPS and FedEx similar to how Southwest went after domestic market share of American, Delta, and United throughout the 1980s and 1990s. If you still don't believe it, I have a sort facility being built in CVG bigger than FedEx in MEM and UPS in SDF combined to sell you.
The ABX and Atlas/Southern pilots do not find it acceptable to allow management to exploit our cheap labor in order to take away high-paying quality jobs at FedEx and UPS. We will continue to fight for industry standard, not just truck driver standard.
Whether you realize it or not, Amazon and DHL are using our airlines to go after UPS and FedEx similar to how Southwest went after domestic market share of American, Delta, and United throughout the 1980s and 1990s. If you still don't believe it, I have a sort facility being built in CVG bigger than FedEx in MEM and UPS in SDF combined to sell you.
The ABX and Atlas/Southern pilots do not find it acceptable to allow management to exploit our cheap labor in order to take away high-paying quality jobs at FedEx and UPS. We will continue to fight for industry standard, not just truck driver standard.
While I commend your sentiment regarding the jobs at FedEx and UPS, I have to question the rest of your post.
How in the world is Amazon's CVG sort facility going to rival FedEx's and UPS's -- COMBINED? From what I've read the facility's capability is going to be less than FedEx's. On peak nights FedEx has 150 airplanes flying through the sort and that doesn't include our feeder folks. Even the Indy Hub, which is currently 2.5 million square feet, is scheduled for a $1.5B expansion this year -- the same amount Amazon is spending in CVG. While I agree Amazon is rapidly expanding their logistics capability, I think your comment is greatly exaggerated. Please prove me wrong if I am mistaken.
Second, with reference to Southwest, how is Amazon and DHL "southwesting" FedEx and UPS?
#79
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: B767 Capt.
Posts: 171
#80
Ah I get it now. I don’t want a war with him. That wouldn’t be productive here. I was only wondering how the Southwest reference was being applied. Your explanation makes perfect sense. Thank you.
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