I don't do DPs and fully support the SIG. But I don't want to slam the newhires.


Give a guy $2000/month in training and he feels like he may need to make up a little pay the first few months out of training. I stand by my previous statement that you should work toward being gentle and friendly to the newhire, not harsh and confrontational. Try to explain and teach rather than judge, convict and verbally or otherwise punish.

I can't read you thru the internet, but if I could I sense you just want to be confrontational to the newhires. Welcoming them to the union in a more easy going fashion would go a long way in avoiding folks turning into non-members and selfish SOBs down the road.


Get mad at that if you will, it's not easy for those newhires. Yeah, I know you've been there and all that. It's easy to talk down to these guys, but not easy to be talked down to.

No, you read me completely incorrectly.

I'm not saying we should be slamming anybody. We need to mentor and educate the new hires and treat them with the same respect we all deserve so that they will see the good work that he SIG is doing on our behalf. It shouldn't be that hard for even new hires to find out which pairings are disputed and what that means. I am a union mentor for a new hire class and every class for the past year has had one. Every new hire has at least one sponsor who helped them get here. The help is available to them if they need it.

First year pay, families to feed, locusts, floods, whatever. There are no excuses for voluntarily flying a DP except being a self centered, selfish, non-team playing mofo. There is no justification for such scabalicious behavior. Those are simply rationalizations, not justifications.

First year pay: separate issue, we all lived through it, we NEED to fix it in the next contract, no doubt.

Just wanted to let you guys know that NOONE told us as newhires anything about DP's and the importance of not picking them up. I only learned about it through this message board and the email from the SIG that comes out every so often. I actually had to ask someone what a DP was!!! I don't fly DP's, but I think a lot of guys either don't know about DP's or are too lazy to look at opentime, then go back and see which trips are DP's.

Come on. If you are smart enough to get hired at FedEx, join the union and provide a current email address you get all the info you need to identify DPs and how to avoid getting them when not on reserve. If you have questions, ask your sponsor, your ALPA mentor, another crewmember on your next trip, or anybody with an ALPA pin or lanyard on in the AOC. Any of us will gladly take the time to explain the SIG process and DPs if you have any questions.

Lazy, ignorant, whatever, those are just excuses and justifications. We're all adults and should be responsible enough to use the info in front of us to support the SIG. That email from the SIG comes out every month before the bid closes.

SNAFU,

Calmer minds have offered an alternative view that is reasonable. You are not only sounding like an a$$ towards our newhires but even somewhat unstable. Give it a break dude. You call for us to be adults, then take your own advice. Your credibility is certainly lacking while attempting to hammer our fellow pilots. It is certainly reasonable to assume that new hires are still learning the ropes. Maybe you should try giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Don't buy it
 

The email from the SIG doesn't come out every once in a while, it comes out once a month. No one showed you where the bathroom was in AOC I imagine, yet you managed to find it.

No one told me about disputed pairings, but I learned about them from the first email I ever got about them from the Union. There is adequate information out there for those that care to listen....or more accurately, who don't cover their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears.

I am trying to get my 11 year old not to use the excuse that "no one told me"....tell me you're not seriously using that

How many?
 

Slaveship,

How many mulligans shall we issue new hires? Some how most of us got on the email list, took the information seriously, and hold ourselves accountable to the team. Others look at it as an obligation that they'd rather not have, if not for peer pressure.....like an expensive magazine....After you've received the first SIG email, then I believe your mulligans are all used up. If somebody doesn't know what is being talked about, then they ought to find out quick. Besides, these new hires aren't "Babes in the woods"....I give them more credit than that....also many have come from other carriers, and this kind of information isn't a foreign concept.

Jakal

So slave, how many DPs have you flown this year?

Try reading my last couple of posts. I am all for giving the new guys the benefit of the doubt initially. I outlined 3 different sources for them to get the info in a non threatening or demeaning manner. All I ask is for the new hires to use the myriad info sources available to them.

Using the excuse of family to feed and new hire pay rates (which is what Gunter used in his post, but has since edited and removed) as justifications for flying DPs doesn't wash with me, whether you've been here 10 minutes or 10 years.

Those aren't new hires sitting in the left seat on those trips.

Maybe the new hires know that it's a lost cause to resist flying disputed parings -- because the company will continue to build them anyway

And they are deciding to fly the DPs to mitigate worse DPs being "shoved down our throats" -- they are doing it to have a say in the future DP legislation, er I mean builds....

Maybe they are doing it, even though the rest of the members disagree because they feel "that it's the right thing to do." ;)

Sorry about being a butt in the last post, I just couldn't resist.!!!