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Old 11-20-2018, 02:23 PM
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Hi I have been invited for interview at Atlas. I want to gather info regarding the 767 to be prepared to reject/accept an offer.
Does anybody know what kind of routes are they doing on the 767? Mostly USA (amazon)? Or a lot of international routes? Also is the 767 round gauges or EFIS? ( i fly A320 and in todays job market I am not sure about how advisable is to go back to round gauges)
I appreciate any intel👍👍
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:28 PM
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( i fly A320 and in todays job market I am not sure about how advisable is to go back to round gauges)
If you've got something against flying old airplanes, ACMI is not the place for you.

But honestly, nobody cares about the shape of the flight instruments you've been flying. Round, square, hexagonal - it makes no difference to anyone.
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:31 PM
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If you've got something against flying old airplanes, ACMI is not the place for you.

But honestly, nobody cares about the shape of the flight instruments you've been flying. Round, square, hexagonal - it makes no difference to anyone.
There are plenty of employers that care.
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:52 PM
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There are plenty of employers that care.
I've been through a number of interviews over the last 20 years with some big names, and not a one of them ever asked about flight instruments, and my experience with EFIS spans only the last 7 years.

In any case, 767s are all EFIS. Some have been converted to LCD flat panels.
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Old 11-20-2018, 03:04 PM
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I've been through a number of interviews over the last 20 years with some big names, and not a one of them ever asked about flight instruments, and my experience with EFIS spans only the last 7 years.

In any case, 767s are all EFIS. Some have been converted to LCD flat panels.
All Atlas 767 are factory half a$$ Glass. EADI/EHSI and round dials for the rest. Plenty on here with regard to current toxic situation at Atlas so I won't belabor that point. Try Kalitta if you want to progress in the ACMI world.
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Old 11-20-2018, 03:04 PM
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Be aware that, should you accept a job with Atlas, the following will apply:

1. You will earn $1,600/mo for the first 4 months of employment.

2. Expect to make min guarantee, or close to it. Guarantee for year 1 is 50 hours, and thereafter it is 62 hours. I have only earned more than guarantee 2 months this year so far. I am a 3rd year FO and I have never earned more than $69k here.

3. Expect to be away from home between 17-20 days per month, including travel days.

4. A lot of the flying on the 767 now is domestic stuff for amazon, but we also do international flying for DHL and for the DoD.

5. Don't believe the promise of a 2-3 year upgrade. As I've said, I'm a 3rd year FO and I do not anticipate that I'll be able to hold Captain for another 18-24 months. And upgrade times are climbing. Also, there is a seat lock, so you won't be able to bid over to the 747 to make more money until after 3 years on property.

6. We are currently experiencing the most antagonistic relationship between a pilot group and management that most people here have ever seen. If you accept a job, be prepared to be thrown into the middle of an all out war between the pilots and management.

7. Make sure that you're familiar with what is (and isn't) in our CBA before you accept a job here.

Sick? You're down to guarantee pay.
Training this month? You're down to guarantee pay.
Scheduling decides to change your pattern for the hell of it? You're down to guarantee pay.
Take vacation? You're down to guarantee pay.

Seriously, if you can't survive every month's paycheck being 62*hourly rate (or 50*hourly rate for the first year), I'd highly suggest that you look elsewhere. Absolutely everyone else is hiring right now. Everyone I know here who is younger than 60 is trying to leave. I even know a couple 62 year olds who are filling out applications.
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I've been through a number of interviews over the last 20 years with some big names, and not a one of them ever asked about flight instruments, and my experience with EFIS spans only the last 7 years.

In any case, 767s are all EFIS. Some have been converted to LCD flat panels.
Good for you. The point still stands, there are many employers who care. Further, I've seen more than a couple fail out of training jumping into their first glass cockpit.
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Originally Posted by Benver View Post
Hi I have been invited for interview at Atlas. I want to gather info regarding the 767 to be prepared to reject/accept an offer.
Does anybody know what kind of routes are they doing on the 767? Mostly USA (amazon)? Or a lot of international routes? Also is the 767 round gauges or EFIS? ( i fly A320 and in todays job market I am not sure about how advisable is to go back to round gauges)
I appreciate any intel👍👍
Wow. Most pilots complete their due diligence long before they apply for the job. It'd be great if this is just a practice interview for you prior to going to a good airline.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:31 PM
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Good for you. The point still stands, there are many employers who care. Further, I've seen more than a couple fail out of training jumping into their first glass cockpit.
They were bad pilots then. It had nothing to do with the damn instruments. If you can’t transition from round gauges to glass then I don’t know what to tell you. It’s not rocket science.
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Old 11-21-2018, 06:04 AM
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Good for you. The point still stands, there are many employers who care. Further, I've seen more than a couple fail out of training jumping into their first glass cockpit.
If you say so.

In the past few years, UPS has hired a ridiculous number of Atlas pilots. (The story goes that at one point, the UPS chief pilot called the Atlas chief pilot to advise him that there were something like 60 Atlas pilots in the UPS pool at that time.) In my two years at ABX, where we have bunch of those 767s with the old instruments, pilots have been hired at UPS, FedEx, United, American, Alaska, Virgin America, and Southwest. And those are just the ones I know about. Apparently, those companies really don't care. So if you're interested in flying for one of those, it looks like your career prospects won't be damaged by a stint flying old airplanes.
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