gringo

Not true. Eight, nine years ago Atlas was considered a great place to end up getting stuck at should Brown or Purple never give a call.

There was a time when Spirit was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone, and only if one was reeeeealy desperate. Now, it’s a viable and desirable career destination.

It’s tragic to watch this slow motion dumpster fire unfold the way it has been. Completely preventable, utterly pointless. Atlas pilots deserve better.

scrupulous

Agreed.

I blame the company and our burn it down union leadership equally. I see this going the way of Astar and Comair. Their work farmed out to other carriers less troubling, lower paid and management just moves on to the next job with stock options.

It's a delicate balancing act, especially at ACMIs. What is enough for the membership and being too much trouble/cost to deal with. The customers move the planes away as exampled before from those getting good contracts. Already started at Atlas as planes are being moved to other ACMI's or subcontracted. Those other carriers don't care where the planes come from just as Atlas didn't when Astar went down.

boeingdvr

You can make money here- only if you’re senior and work the system...

Bungalow

Spirit. “A viable and desired destination”
That’s funny right there.

gringo

If only you knew.

Elevation

I'm not sure it's fair to blame the parties equally. Ultimately our executives hold the purse-strings and can respond to market pressures at their discretion. The company has the practical ability to say yes on scope and benefits. The instant we get a contract with scope and a direct retirement contribution, people will stay and people will come. We'll be able to seize the opportunities before us.

The union cannot practically yield on scope. We'd betray our membership if we did so. If we yielded on pay, etc. people would keep leaving and people wouldn't come. We'd be unable to seize the opportunities before us even if we caved.

So blame us both, but management is holding the cards. Management carries the lion's share of the blame.

DC8DRIVER

Factually incorrect. Blaming Astar pilots for the demise of that airline is flat out wrong.

Greed and apathy on the part of the owners and only the owners of Astar are the only reasons that we went out of business. We weren't the highest paid. We had a mediocre contract that had recently been signed. We were half owned by DHL and had a ten year contract with them to provide lift.

No. John Dasburg and his two silent partners wrung hundreds of millions of dollars out of our pilot group and the original DHL airline and then cast us into the mud pit of aviation history without a second thought.

Furthermore, blaming pilots for the demise of an airline is asinine and about as anti-American as it comes. Workers fighting for a better life is what built our industry into the profession that it is at our dominant carriers today.

boeingdvr

More planes being parked after Q4. Company is clearly “right sizing” the airline. I can see upgrade pushing 10 years for the most recent new hire last last summer.

It’s absolutely incredible....

Screwed

That's cute! You think we will survive 10 years with JD as CEO? We will be out of jobs within 3 years.

maxjet

YDT I am down 25K over last year. I don’t expect November and December to be as fruitful as last year. Things are slowing down in our segment.