Atlas / Southern
09-21-2019, 01:35 PM
#281
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
We are starting to lose aircraft and work to our competitors. Things are as bad as they seem and in many cases worse. Our average annual attrition is around 13% on the Atlas side. Losing a few hundred pilots a year is no joke.
Keep in mind, few senior Captains leave. The biggest pilot churn is in the First Officer ranks and junior Captains. Upgrades were coming for a while due to growth but now upgrade time will be exponentially increasing.
1) Few senior Captains leaving
2) Losing aircraft
3) Reduction in work from customers
This all leads to few upgrade opportunities.
Keep in mind, few senior Captains leave. The biggest pilot churn is in the First Officer ranks and junior Captains. Upgrades were coming for a while due to growth but now upgrade time will be exponentially increasing.
1) Few senior Captains leaving
2) Losing aircraft
3) Reduction in work from customers
This all leads to few upgrade opportunities.
09-21-2019, 02:22 PM
#282
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Originally Posted by wjcandee
As a shortcut, I think all one would have to do is look at the photo of the two guys in that 747 cockpit on the Atlas web page. Tells you a lot about upgrade opportunities. ;-)
09-21-2019, 03:02 PM
#283
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
I'm not sure what you're talking about but if Atlas put out a picture of two younger looking Captains I'm sure it was in no way intended to mislead potential applicants. Atlas management is honest. You can trust them.
The point is that the gent in the right seat looks like he has been waiting decades for an upgrade.
I'm sure that it was intended to subliminally suggest to customers that Atlas has experienced crews, but for our purposes in this discussion, it sends a different message.
09-21-2019, 09:28 PM
#284
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Originally Posted by wjcandee
Yes. Of course.
The point is that the gent in the right seat looks like he has been waiting decades for an upgrade.
I'm sure that it was intended to subliminally suggest to customers that Atlas has experienced crews, but for our purposes in this discussion, it sends a different message.
The point is that the gent in the right seat looks like he has been waiting decades for an upgrade.
I'm sure that it was intended to subliminally suggest to customers that Atlas has experienced crews, but for our purposes in this discussion, it sends a different message.
09-25-2019, 07:20 AM
#286
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Originally Posted by BayBum4Ever
All you need to know about Atlas/Southern.
13 Southern 777 pilots have recently quit and gone to Kalitta.
13 Southern 777 pilots have recently quit and gone to Kalitta.
09-25-2019, 08:06 AM
#287
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
An Atlas 747 Captain messaged me about a FedEx interview this morning... Atlas isn't a good place to work.
Atlas/Southern will continue to hemorrhage pilots, aircraft and contracts to their competitors until they’ve on the verge of, or in bankruptcy. Then they might negotiate a contract. It won’t be anything approaching industry standard. The pilots won’t get to vote on it.
Most of those here now are in GTFO mode. It’s not even a good stepping stone for a better airline.
The latest “negotiations” update will be later this week. As has been going on 4 years now, expecting little to no movement. The union has a copy of an email sent by mistake some months back between mgt discussing their plan is delay delay delay, engage in surface bargaining and throw the pilots “just enough to keep the Indians on the reservation”. That speaks for itself.
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09-25-2019, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptDave
Hahaha. Okay. Tell that to the most recent 73 upgrade awards that are all less than a year on property.
Contract issue has yet to be resolved but will at some point down the road.
Contract issue has yet to be resolved but will at some point down the road.
09-26-2019, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MrKowalski
Any 74 Pilots out there? How long can we get LAX base after ANC on the 747 for Atlas and what's the average flight time a month?
Flight time, plan for about 50 hrs a month. Most LAX flying will be over the Pacific to places like ICN, NRT, HKG, HNL to name a few places.
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