JonnyKnoxville

I am not sure if that is sarcasm or not and apologize in advance if it is but we most certainly are not happy to do it cheaper than the other guys. We are some of the lowest paid pilots flying airliners in the United States right now and it is downright embarrassing.

JackStraw

It was sarcasm.

But...

Allegiant IS hiring.

DC8DRIVER

Oldest and weakest retort in the book ... "why don't you just quit / go someplace else?"

Some of us choose to stay and fight for a better contract. Unfortunately, there are a few entitled "pilots" who like to ride coattails. They climb on the shoulders of those who make the best parts of the job available to them so they’ll have something to crow about. No need to thank us, though (not that any thanks are expected). We understand that there will always be the 1% who do nothing to better the working conditions here and only take advantage of the efforts, sacrifices, opportunities, and successes that the group has made for your benefit.

None-the-less, you are welcome.

And on one point, you are right. This place does take up real estate in our heads as we work towards a better contract because improving the conditions here is vitally important to us just as it was to those who came before us and made the few gains that you so loudly brag about today.

One day (unless Flynn and co. decide to cash out and sell Atlas for body parts), Atlas will have a great contract. Probably not during my career here, though. But I will be able to live with myself knowing that I had some small part in making this place better for those who follow my path, just as those who came before me paid it forward so I could enjoy the few gains that exist today.

This will only be accomplished, though, by an honest understanding of where Atlas is in regards to labor relations within the industry, and where we should be.

So when guys come on line and brag about how good Atlas is in relation to anything other than our industry peers is counterproductive to everyone - including yourself, whether or not you even realize it - because no gains have ever been made by pilots who look backwards at their entry level jobs as a measure of where they should be today or tomorrow.

Like most pilots, my first job in aviation involved working with no insurance, no retirement, no benefits, no job protections, no pay protections, under hazardous conditions at all hours of the day and night with no provisions for rest, food, or protections from the elements. Is Atlas a step up from there? Obviously! Atlas is better by 1000%! But should I compare that lousy job to Atlas? Or should I look at an airline that has conditions that far exceed those at Atlas for guidance when it comes to working towards a better contract?

Now, don’t get me wrong; I love flying I do and the people I fly with. I have a great time when I'm at work. And a huge part of my outlook and optimism comes from knowing that I am part of the vast majority of Atlas pilots (even those who know they are here only temporarily) who have a clear view of where we Atlas pilots stand and what incredible potential there is here for a great contract. But, as Richard Bach once wrote, “You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true. You may have to work for it, however.”

The work toward a common goal like that is rewarding in a way that you will probably never know. So keep those rose colored glasses on, keep updating your FedEx application, and try not to hinder the rest of us while we work to give you even more to brag about while you are here.

OK?

SetVap

Good evening everyone,

I have an interview with Southern for the 737 FO position. They sent me an email with an example of the schedule for the 18 on 12 off and the pay scale as well. I just had a few questions that I was hoping some of you could answer. Do any of you currently fly the 737? How much flying do you usually fly each month. The recruiter already warned me of the 36 hour YWG overnight but I was wondering what the rest of the flying is like. Is it all flying on the back end of the clock? Do you ever overnight back in CVG or is that just in and out.

Thank you for your help.

JackStraw

Showing interest in either Southern or Atlas, but especially Southern, demonstrates extremely bad judgement on your part. -10 points.

Hope this helped.

woog315

Dawg, buddy.... friend.... you'll see a lot of vitriol and bile on these forums- sometimes deserved sometimes not- often exaggerated and overly dramatic, but I can tell you... do not go to Southern. There are jobs everywhere- do not go to Southern. I repeat: Do not go to Southern. Cross it off your list.

CaptDave

Lemme just axe you a question....

RyeMex

Did they mention the fact that you won’t see a pay raise for 4 years?

thesandbox

^^^^THIS^^^^

No Land 3

I can't speak for any of it, but if you are low time and simply want a 737 type to pad your resume? Those that know, head their advice.