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Old 01-16-2019, 08:21 AM   #61  
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Could you imagine time building on the 737? In five years you could have 1,000 more hours than you do today.
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Could you imagine time building on the 737? In five years you could have 1,000 more hours than you do today.
If they staff it like they're staffing it on your 767 then you'll do tons of Captain on Captain pairings where as the Junior Captain you'll still be in the right seat.... Logging SIC.

If this doesn't spell it out well enough... On the 767 at Atlas they can't get enough bodies to work there. So... Instead of staffing the 767 FO position with FOs they hire FOs into the 747 where they're willing to work. Then when they're senior enough to hold a 767 upgrade they go to the left seat where (unlike other airlines) 60-65% of the pilots are Captains. This results on a TON of Captain on Captain pairings. Sounds like a great deal to get a 767 upgrade after only 3 years... Correct? Not so fast my friend.

The Senior Captain gets the option of taking the leg in the Left seat. So all of those times that you fly Captain on Captain you'll be in the right seat at the beginning unless the senior Captain is willing to let you take it. So if you fly 300 hours a year (like a 767 Captain told me last week) you'll log 200 hours of PIC... After 3 or 4 years at Atlas...

Bottom line... If your plan is to upgrade at Atlas or Southern and grind out 1000 hours PIC then plan on 8 years to do so if you're logging those hours legally. Since the same managers are attempting to staff an airline they also manage that's having the same problem you can do the math. I'm not saying it's a bad idea if this is your plan but there are probably better options.
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Could you imagine time building on the 737? In five years you could have 1,000 more hours than you do today.
Always entertaining when another union's local leadership (Atlas) chimes in on another union local's turf (Southern). Reminds me of the Atlas-Polar merger which cost us dearly over the years with those tactics.

Has Southern under 1224 already submitted to your master's rule (BK) like you? I'm sure the Southern guys would like to know.

Just curious if they have already capitulated to our exiting felon-in-chief like you and our ExCo or if you are just pretending in Southerns leadership's absence here?
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Always entertaining when another union's local leadership (Atlas) chimes in on another union local's turf (Southern). Reminds me of the Atlas-Polar merger which cost us dearly over the years with those tactics.

Has Southern under 1224 already submitted to your master's rule (BK) like you? I'm sure the Southern guys would like to know.

Just curious if they have already capitulated to our exiting felon-in-chief like you and our ExCo or if you are just pretending in Southerns leadership's absence here?
Seriously... Does it have to devolve into another fight between yall immediately? His point about logging hours on the 737 is legit and given his interaction with Southern's leadership he is informed on the matter. He wasn't taking a shot at you at all.
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If they staff it like they're staffing it on your 767 then you'll do tons of Captain on Captain pairings where as the Junior Captain you'll still be in the right seat.... Logging SIC.

If this doesn't spell it out well enough... On the 767 at Atlas they can't get enough bodies to work there. So... Instead of staffing the 767 FO position with FOs they hire FOs into the 747 where they're willing to work. Then when they're senior enough to hold a 767 upgrade they go to the left seat where (unlike other airlines) 60-65% of the pilots are Captains. This results on a TON of Captain on Captain pairings. Sounds like a great deal to get a 767 upgrade after only 3 years... Correct? Not so fast my friend.

The Senior Captain gets the option of taking the leg in the Left seat. So all of those times that you fly Captain on Captain you'll be in the right seat at the beginning unless the senior Captain is willing to let you take it. So if you fly 300 hours a year (like a 767 Captain told me last week) you'll log 200 hours of PIC... After 3 or 4 years at Atlas...

Bottom line... If your plan is to upgrade at Atlas or Southern and grind out 1000 hours PIC then plan on 8 years to do so if you're logging those hours legally. Since the same managers are attempting to staff an airline they also manage that's having the same problem you can do the math. I'm not saying it's a bad idea if this is your plan but there are probably better options.
For a guy working at FedEx now, you really seem to be spending a lot of time fixating on Atlas forums for your short touch and go here. I'm jealous actually. It took two moon shots and three thousand hours PIC in type to get a job interview in my day. Things have changed and here we are.

Are the boys at FedEx not treating you to your expectations of your perceived skill set?

Enjoy the pay and bragging rights. Remember that a large number of us don't get to participate.
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For a guy working at FedEx now, you really seem to be spending a lot of time fixating on Atlas forums for your short touch and go here. I'm jealous actually. It took two moon shots and three thousand hours PIC in type to get a job interview in my day. Things have changed and here we are.

Are the boys at FedEx not treating you to your expectations of your perceived skill set?

Enjoy the pay and bragging rights. Remember that a large number of us don't get to participate.
I'm still rooting for ALL of you (you included). Go look at your 767 list and tell me that my post doesn't contribute to the conversation. When I left it was approaching 65% Captains and I'd imagine it's gotten worse... You're on the 747 and are very senior so you might not have looked at it.
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I'm still rooting for ALL of you (you included). Go look at your 767 list and tell me that my post doesn't contribute to the conversation. When I left it was approaching 65% Captains and I'd imagine it's gotten worse... You're on the 747 and are very senior so you might not have looked at it.
Kind of like how I was shot the last time. "Here is a napkin, good luck on not dying". Pretty much how our leadership approaches this.

I think the Southern guys might have something to say. Maybe our leadership should listen to them.

I forgot, since time doesn't exist before you, head over to where ever you learned to fly and pimp them for gratification.

Enjoy good catering and bragging writes.
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Suddenimpact / Scrupulous, you may be too busy conjuring up your theories and versions of reality to be paying attention to what is really going on. In case you missed the many communications from the union, both the Atlas and Southern union leadership teams are working in lock-step with each other.
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Always entertaining when another union's local leadership (Atlas) chimes in on another union local's turf (Southern).
FYI: Atlas and Southern are in the same local.

Keep up with the crazy hate, though. We're rooting for you!
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Just curious if they have already capitulated to our exiting felon-in-chief like you and our ExCo or if you are just pretending in Southerns leadership's absence here?
Felon-in-chief, huh? That is right, he made a mistake almost 30 years ago. Fell from one of the most coveted jobs in aviation. Found himself at rock bottom without anything and fought his way back to the top. The underdog comeback story in aviation if there ever was one. BTW, he has never hid from any of it and has always owned up to it while always pointing the finger at himself for the mistake that cost him everything.

Conversely, you have never done a ******** thing worthwhile in your entire life but try and tear down people on an anonymous forum. I bet every disappointment that defines your life is everyone else's fault but your own. You create lies of grandeur to pretend to be someone you are not and never will be. Enjoy your ordinary life.
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