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Old 12-23-2018, 08:02 AM   #21  
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Interesting that you'd find any of those things an insult.
Iím guessing it was your smarmy tone that was the insult.
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:33 AM   #22  
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All whining and crying aside, Atlas exists (no pun intended) as a polar opposite to every other airline in respect to pay.

Next month iíve got a whopping 64 hours of credit...and Iím a 12+ year Captain, just work extra you say? No thanks, but my bull**** bucket is filled to the brim after 5 days of flying here.

I have no soft time work rules to rely on, effectively I live on a ďsalaryĒ scheme aka the Atlas CBA.

Salary? Yeah, if you Fly 14 hours, You only get paid 4.85. New Hires are shocked to learn this after accepting the job! I guess reading and comprehension are low on the prerequisiteís to work here.

Unless I work 19+ days, and all of them away from home/base, and only then do I come close to approaching 2nd and 3rd year compensation at FO pay at any other major on a narrow body.

Truth be told a lot of the guys who hired on recently were expecting big news from Amazon and Atlas regarding CVG. Frankly thatís whatís filling classes!

Alas, this past week with ATSG getting up to 40% ownership by Amazon crushed their hopes.

Making matters even worse, Atlas stock is tanking, all the warrants they had at $37.50 are now pixie dust as the stock is now trading at $36 and in a continued spiral out of control.

Bull **** and contracts aside, Wall Street, Purchase and Amazon are revealing that Atlas may not be the darling so many new hires thought it to be, and now ATI appears to have been the better bet if aligning with Amazon was their career goal.

Connie is still hiring at mega ACMI rates with nearly assured upgrade times of less than 24 months.

Atlas, well it just continues to flounder, demanding more and the pilots just continue to be groomed to expect less.
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:45 AM   #23  
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In 2016, the existing Amazon flying was announced at ATSG first, and hopes and dreams at Atlas were dashed. Then weeks later the Atlas flying for Amazon was announced.

I don't know why ATSG announces flying immediately and Atlas keeps customer agreements closer to the vest, but that's just how it is.

I'm not saying everything is rainbows and unicorns, but let's wait until the end of Q1 until concluding that ATSG is the chosen child.
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