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Old 12-23-2018, 07:24 PM   #31  
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For guys that want to leave, the chance is there.

FDX has been taking a fair amount of Atlas guys, and I don’t think it’s exclusive to the 767 pilots.

Some things of note: an unofficial but very strong rumor is You “have” to update your app often, like once a month often, or the computer won’t even pull your file for an interview. I find this parameter to be absurd, but an HR person told a friend of mine who was hired at FDX trecently that this is indeed the case.

The same HR person also said that 200+ hours heavy jet time is a big plus and that FDX is “running out of those kinds of applicants”. I did not get a clarification if that only meant 200+ PIC heavy time or if SIC heavy was also a big +.

But I’m assuming you got your 1000+ PIC turbine prior to getting on Atlas, so as long as you have that, a 4 year degreee from a “real” University, clean record (no DUI, unexplainable violation, etc ) and play the “update every month” game with with FDX computer system, you have a good shot at getting called?
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Old 12-23-2018, 07:43 PM   #32  
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Well 16 days a month averaging maybe 90+ hours, plus 10 additional days spread out over the year @1.5xpay, plus $1000/month perdiem.

90 hours @ $124.10 = $134028
50 hours OT @ $186.15 = $9307
$1000/mo perdiem which is pessimistic?

$155,300

The math is close and another $13k is possible depending on the 16 day trip credits particularly.

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The reality is you probably fly the 747. Although the pay rates are the same at K4 the hours are vastly different between the airframes. The 767 pilots make guarantee unless they do overtime while the 747 guys can routinely make 20 to 40 hours above guarantee without overtime. If we are going to compare, let’s compare apples to apples.
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Old 12-24-2018, 05:32 AM   #33  
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The reality is you probably fly the 747. Although the pay rates are the same at K4 the hours are vastly different between the airframes. The 767 pilots make guarantee unless they do overtime while the 747 guys can routinely make 20 to 40 hours above guarantee without overtime. If we are going to compare, let’s compare apples to apples.
What do you mean compare apples? Nobody is under any illusion that this will continue indefinitely. It is what it is. The thing that most people from the outside miss, because it is hard to translate it to writing is quality of life. The quality of life has always been vastly superior at K4 than any other airline I have worked at. I have worked at some very good QOL airlines. MaxJet and USA3000 to name a few. It is not all about the money for me and I am biased.
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Old 12-24-2018, 02:18 PM   #34  
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The reality is you probably fly the 747. Although the pay rates are the same at K4 the hours are vastly different between the airframes. The 767 pilots make guarantee unless they do overtime while the 747 guys can routinely make 20 to 40 hours above guarantee without overtime. If we are going to compare, let’s compare apples to apples.
I thought I was being pretty fair. You are right, the 767 is typically just 64 hours at k4. Atlas has 747 too though.

I posted the link to pilotcontracts.org if anyone wants to dig deeper.
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I thought I was being pretty fair. You are right, the 767 is typically just 64 hours at k4. Atlas has 747 too though.

I posted the link to pilotcontracts.org if anyone wants to dig deeper.
The thread started with Atlas 767 guys talking about their situation. Then some K4 chimed in with how much more they made. I am sure all of it is accurate. The only point I want to make is if you are flying a 767, 757, or 737 domestically for either DHL or Amazon at ABX, ATI, Atlas, Kalitta or Southern you are making min guarantee unless you fly overtime/days off. The high hour, big dollar opportunities are only in the large international flying such as done in the 747.

I’m happy the K4 guys are doing well. You just can’t compare what a 747 pilot makes to what a 767 guy makes because the opportunity to accumulate hours is totally different.
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117k plus 6.1k matched in to my 401k. 8th year 767 CA. Atlas wins again, I can thank them for making my decision to move to greener pastures ASAP very easy.

Think about this, because it's true.....Many departures are around 04:00-09:00z. If you commute the company makes you be in position 10 hours prior to duty on (90 minutes prior to departure). This means you either take a 6am flight from home to be in position for a 2am departure that night, or you come in the evening before and actually sleep. When you come in the night before you have now given up two days off. Do that twice per month, you now have given the company 21 days, oh, but they can extend you 3 days. now they have you for 24 days. There are many lines where you truly only have 6 to 7 real days off. Say what you may, but this is a fact, especially on the 767, and especially in the ONT crew base.

I have to laugh at their cheesy adverts for the job fair open house they are hosting January 17th. The catchline in the the advert is "Endless Skies". It's about right, it's like prison in the sky with a few days of supervised release every month.
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Why are you all discussing how much money you DON'T make compared to the rest of the Industry?


You're proud of that fact ?


It's like a Reverse D!ck Measuring contest...


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Old 12-27-2018, 07:04 AM   #38  
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I believe the idea is to point out to people thinking of coming here the reality of what they're getting into v. what HR is telling them.
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What do you mean compare apples? Nobody is under any illusion that this will continue indefinitely. It is what it is. The thing that most people from the outside miss, because it is hard to translate it to writing is quality of life. The quality of life has always been vastly superior at K4 than any other airline I have worked at. I have worked at some very good QOL airlines. MaxJet and USA3000 to name a few. It is not all about the money for me and I am biased.
I think most of us aspire to have much more than what MaxJet and USA3000 have to offer. It's awesome that you are happy and with the current contract K4 has and I could see being happy as an extremely senior 747 Captain who loved to fly and didn't mind being gone all the time. In that scenario I'd be ok.

Most of us see MaxJet and USA3000 as places you work to get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. We want Industry Standard Retirements, opportunities to sit Reserve and not get abused, and to have families.... All while making what the others at the top of our profession make.
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2nd year OAI... 152.2k with 30 days OT... we didn't get the new contract till May. 345 hours for the year. Spent 135 days off/vacation and another 20-30 at home on reserve.

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