Atlas pilots deserve better? Teamsters 1224 v
01-02-2019, 05:53 PM
#101
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Leftof longitudinal
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Copy your IBT comment, what about SWAPA, APA, IPA?
They have better contracts than many ALPA.
They have better contracts than many ALPA.
01-02-2019, 05:54 PM
#102
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Posts: 611
Originally Posted by FR8Dog7
And Kirschner and Bourne really don't care as long as the $$ keep rolling in! Prime rib and king prawns for everyone!
There is a reason Atlas Air has never been a good place to work and it is because clowns like you two mismanaged the ship for far too long.
01-02-2019, 06:08 PM
#103
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Posts: 611
Originally Posted by scrupulous
At least the first two got taken out under IBT before we went backwards with this administration.
We were slowly cleaning them out until this recently un-elected administration via a last minute E-board expansion of the Atlas ExCo numbers (5 to 7) to the number running for office. Thus no election, just placement of the 7 raised hands vs an election of 5. No one could be bounced.
So while our current leadership like JonnyKnoxville works the union business pay system and union compensated helpers like DC8Driver work there angle, it won't last for long. The remaining membership that gets some time under their belts here will start seeing how the failed past tactics of pre-Atlas/Polar merger repeating themselves now.
It's easier to elect new leadership that actually upholds their promises than decertify. I know being one of the guys who accomplished it the last time and knowing exactly what ALPA will do to us if we go back.
We were slowly cleaning them out until this recently un-elected administration via a last minute E-board expansion of the Atlas ExCo numbers (5 to 7) to the number running for office. Thus no election, just placement of the 7 raised hands vs an election of 5. No one could be bounced.
So while our current leadership like JonnyKnoxville works the union business pay system and union compensated helpers like DC8Driver work there angle, it won't last for long. The remaining membership that gets some time under their belts here will start seeing how the failed past tactics of pre-Atlas/Polar merger repeating themselves now.
It's easier to elect new leadership that actually upholds their promises than decertify. I know being one of the guys who accomplished it the last time and knowing exactly what ALPA will do to us if we go back.
Also, for the record, I am rather certain everyone on APC at Atlas Air knows who I am. There is no need to keep trying to out me in every one of your posts. I have never had any interest in hiding my identity mainly because, well, I have nothing to hide. You on the other hand like to change screen names...
Thanks for the entertainment. Hey, how is your Gulfstream doing these days? lol
01-02-2019, 06:26 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Copy your IBT comment, what about SWAPA, APA, IPA?
They have better contracts than many ALPA.
They have better contracts than many ALPA.
one another note, ALPA is a part of IFALPA... get criminalized in a foreign state and you are going to wish you had an network of representation that can get there in hours... not weeks... Ask your IBT leadership...
I can only imagine what your hotels are like...
01-02-2019, 08:05 PM
#105
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Originally Posted by deus ex machina
such as...
one another note, ALPA is a part of IFALPA... get criminalized in a foreign state and you are going to wish you had an network of representation that can get there in hours... not weeks... Ask your IBT leadership...
I can only imagine what your hotels are like...
one another note, ALPA is a part of IFALPA... get criminalized in a foreign state and you are going to wish you had an network of representation that can get there in hours... not weeks... Ask your IBT leadership...
I can only imagine what your hotels are like...
Sadly, your rant of ALPA is exactly what turns off many non ALPA pilots at those unions, so your recruiting efforts backfire.
01-02-2019, 08:49 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Yeah, union I belong has done same. Proven several time overseas. Your ignorance of other unions is amusing.
Sadly, your rant of ALPA is exactly what turns off many non ALPA pilots at those unions, so your recruiting efforts backfire.
Sadly, your rant of ALPA is exactly what turns off many non ALPA pilots at those unions, so your recruiting efforts backfire.
Are you going to provide negotiating leverage for DAL (soon) and UAL who are currently in Section 6... or are you waiting for them to help you..
01-03-2019, 01:42 AM
#107
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Former 747 Captain
Posts: 150
Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
Says the clueless guy who retired how long ago now? Honestly, don't you have anything...I mean, ANYTHING better to do in retirement? It is pretty sad that you come on here when requested by (scrupulous/suddenimpact) to back up his posts full of lies?
There is a reason Atlas Air has never been a good place to work and it is because clowns like you two mismanaged the ship for far too long.
There is a reason Atlas Air has never been a good place to work and it is because clowns like you two mismanaged the ship for far too long.
Actually, Atlas USED to be a GREAT place to work. That is before all of you children of entitlement showed up. (Along with Jeff Carlson) and all of his buddies that he brought on. You just keep telling yourself that 1224 is going to get you that great contract where you make 400k a year. Well you probably are, flying on your X days and getting your FPL on your UB days. I understand you like your prime rib medium rare!
01-03-2019, 04:02 AM
#108
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Posts: 682
Originally Posted by FR8Dog7
Actually, Atlas USED to be a GREAT place to work. That is before all of you children of entitlement showed up. (Along with Jeff Carlson) and all of his buddies that he brought on. You just keep telling yourself that 1224 is going to get you that great contract where you make 400k a year. Well you probably are, flying on your X days and getting your FPL on your UB days. I understand you like your prime rib medium rare!
01-03-2019, 04:12 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by deus ex machina
Are you going to provide negotiating leverage for DAL (soon) and UAL who are currently in Section 6... or are you waiting for them to help you..
01-03-2019, 05:12 AM
#110
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Originally Posted by deus ex machina
Are you going to provide negotiating leverage for DAL (soon) and UAL who are currently in Section 6... or are you waiting for them to help you..
Wait, no, that can't be right. I don't think that FDX is eager to use the gains that ALPA got ATI in their next round of negotiations. Especially considering the fact that ATI got a contract that had worse pay scales than the pay scales that Omni (*ahem, IBT 1224*) had received before ATI ever signed their TA. Yeah, that was pattern bargaining at its finest. Thanks, ALPA!
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