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01-03-2019, 10:06 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by Whale Driver
Wrong! K4 was prevented from voting because the K4 EXCO was not honoring an agreement that THEY signed as to how each group would negotiate in reference to all the other 1224 CBA's operating on the DHL ramp.
I did say K4s beef with IBT as they have repeated numerous times in the forums. NOT IBTs beef with the K4 Exco.....
01-04-2019, 03:18 AM
#132
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Originally Posted by scrupulous
Lets just say you have at least one well compensated guy and a couple of other sycophants that trolls this site that are ready to cry to the mods. Even if just mentioning public figures name in the news since 1990. Even our faceman ExCo admits that during a past crew call. "Flame bait" is administered here per the squeaky wheel policy. Your buddies are happy to rat.
Baseless lies and personal attacks. That's rich. I didn't go shopping to IBT legal crying. You went shopping to them and they said "If it's true, we can't do anything about it." Though subsequently, the posts to the union site, the links and etc backing me up were deleted by your incoming administration. I still have the docs, recordings, etc though.
Of course, only after an agreed truce we keep to ourselves until the union business pay abuse got intolerable. That lead to the flight pay loss amendment that passed and the ExCo shutdown of the union web forum. Months later a 1224 tech guy acted as a moderator to allow posts after your administration removed all the Atlas moderators that approved posts. Not to mention one ExCo moving all members to a non-union facebook page which freely banned dues paying members depending on how they voted or where caught supporting the passed amendment.
Thanks for the recommendation for help, I did get my medical on the 3rd all the same. Unfortunately, I as many others don't qualify you to negotiate for us anymore than pass judgment on my mental state. We kind of think of you as an end table for the ExCo Chair to put his beer on during negotiations.
That is due to me when you were sabotaging a previous ExCo's efforts and I was asked to legitimately find out vs someone doing a false flag op. Congrats, your it. Now even your past supporters come to me asking how to get you out. So your "I have nothing to hide" doesn't ring well. More like a Trump boast that fits the situation for now despite the truth.
Anyhow, you seem quite disingenuous on your transparency. You just got caught and this is your Trump excuse.
Not too bad. It's in for a check and an stc upgrade to internet data and cellular service. We all kind of find that using satcom for calls sucks in the back. So we opted for a cell service add-on.
Baseless lies and personal attacks. That's rich. I didn't go shopping to IBT legal crying. You went shopping to them and they said "If it's true, we can't do anything about it." Though subsequently, the posts to the union site, the links and etc backing me up were deleted by your incoming administration. I still have the docs, recordings, etc though.
Of course, only after an agreed truce we keep to ourselves until the union business pay abuse got intolerable. That lead to the flight pay loss amendment that passed and the ExCo shutdown of the union web forum. Months later a 1224 tech guy acted as a moderator to allow posts after your administration removed all the Atlas moderators that approved posts. Not to mention one ExCo moving all members to a non-union facebook page which freely banned dues paying members depending on how they voted or where caught supporting the passed amendment.
Thanks for the recommendation for help, I did get my medical on the 3rd all the same. Unfortunately, I as many others don't qualify you to negotiate for us anymore than pass judgment on my mental state. We kind of think of you as an end table for the ExCo Chair to put his beer on during negotiations.
That is due to me when you were sabotaging a previous ExCo's efforts and I was asked to legitimately find out vs someone doing a false flag op. Congrats, your it. Now even your past supporters come to me asking how to get you out. So your "I have nothing to hide" doesn't ring well. More like a Trump boast that fits the situation for now despite the truth.
Anyhow, you seem quite disingenuous on your transparency. You just got caught and this is your Trump excuse.
Not too bad. It's in for a check and an stc upgrade to internet data and cellular service. We all kind of find that using satcom for calls sucks in the back. So we opted for a cell service add-on.
2. 1224 had their opportunity to get Johnny Knoxville out in 2017 and nobody even ran against him... That would include you. I take it that since you didn't care to run that you find it easier to simply take to APC and complain about those who do the actual work.... Or were you also satisfied with the job he was doing?
In any event... Since "your" going get him out can we hear your platform about all of the nice things you're going to do that will improve the Atlas Pilot Group situation? Other than change the way UB is done... This year 300 pilots will leave Atlas for greener pastures and I promise you it has nothing to do with UB.
01-04-2019, 05:01 AM
#133
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While we all may disagree about UB, who's in charge of what, etc. we are still all on the same side of the table when it comes to negotiating a contract for our crews. Like it or not, we're all family here.
01-04-2019, 05:31 AM
#134
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Originally Posted by Elevation
While we all may disagree about UB, who's in charge of what, etc. we are still all on the same side of the table when it comes to negotiating a contract for our crews. Like it or not, we're all family here.
01-04-2019, 06:00 AM
#135
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01-04-2019, 07:08 AM
#136
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
Sure, but it would be nice if all of us could get 6 hours of “UB” pay each day to work from home then double your pay with an easy VX trip instead of being gone 19 days for a measly 62 hours. For some, the incentive for achieving a new CBA is far more present. Just because you have “Union Business” doesn’t mean you should be clearing well over 100 hours every month; that is, unless you’re battling grievances everyday on behalf of the pilots. Those guys deserve it.
You all had a chance to change that! Prime rib and king prawns for everyone!
01-04-2019, 07:10 AM
#137
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
Sure, but it would be nice if all of us could get 6 hours of “UB” pay each day to work from home then double your pay with an easy VX trip instead of being gone 19 days for a measly 62 hours. For some, the incentive for achieving a new CBA is far more present. Just because you have “Union Business” doesn’t mean you should be clearing well over 100 hours every month; that is, unless you’re battling grievances everyday on behalf of the pilots. Those guys deserve it.
UB - Pays 5 hours a day
Per Diem - None
UB - Only paid when a member leaves their house to do union work (all union work done at home is done for free)
There is no premium pay associated with UB. In other words, if you work a 17 day trip and a meeting with management pops up on days 20-22 of the month, that still pays 5 hours a day. Not 5 + 2,4,6.
Nobody is getting rich off UB. If we were motivated by the money, everyone knows the money making positions are in the training center. In fact most in the upper union leadership positions almost all members are already independently wealthy from income sources outside of Atlas Air and the union; unlike Suddenimpact / Scrupulous who pretends he is. Your union leadership isn't doing this for the "big" UB money. If we were, we would be the worst business men on the planet. The time invested versus money received would be the worst rate of return one could find anywhere. When I say this, there is no exaggeration here. I could work at McDonalds for a second job and put in less hours and make more than I do by doing union work.
This is not a complaint, just stating the facts. You current union leadership is motivated to fight the company for a new CBA because it is the right thing to do and we are very passionate about it.
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01-04-2019, 07:12 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
Let's stick to the facts rather than making false assumptions.
UB - Pays 5 hours a day
Per Diem - None
UB - Only paid when a member leaves their house to do union work (all union work done at home is done for free)
There is no premium pay associated with UB. In other words, if you work a 17 day trip and a meeting with management pops up on day 20 of the month, that still pays 5 hours. Not 5 + 2,4,6.
UB - Pays 5 hours a day
Per Diem - None
UB - Only paid when a member leaves their house to do union work (all union work done at home is done for free)
There is no premium pay associated with UB. In other words, if you work a 17 day trip and a meeting with management pops up on day 20 of the month, that still pays 5 hours. Not 5 + 2,4,6.
01-04-2019, 07:31 AM
#139
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
The number and intensity of personal insults has placed this thread in danger of being closed, per APC Forum Rules.
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When Scrupulous/Suddenimpact uses baseless lies to make personal attacks, he destroys constructive dialogue.
Question:
I guess the Mods historically did not find Suddenimpact's past behavior to be ethically of the standard worthy of participation on APC. As soon as he changed his screen name, does that action somehow change the integrity or ethical standards of APC or is he just finding a way around the mods?
01-04-2019, 07:34 AM
#140
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
So when someone on the NC gets 17 days of UB when we aren’t negotiating that person is physically away from home for 17 days? Negotiationing what exactly?
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