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Old 01-04-2019, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw View Post
Who said I was referring to you? In fact, none of my posts have been referring to you. You actually fly the line. You don’t UB day then VX either, which is the lowest of lows. You’re doing a fine job in my eyes.
Thank you, and for the record I and BK, the leader of the union, use more UB than probably anyone else in union leadership.

If you think someone in union leadership has such a great deal going, sign up to do their job. Get the good deal yourself. I think you will find rather quickly it is not the good deal you perceived.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
Shutting it down seems like a great idea.

When Scrupulous/Suddenimpact uses baseless lies to make personal attacks, he destroys constructive dialogue.

Question:

I guess the Mods historically did not find Suddenimpact's past behavior to be ethically of the standard worthy of participation on APC. As soon as he changed his screen name, does that action somehow change the integrity or ethical standards of APC or is he just finding a way around the mods?
Mods don’t know who is telling the truth here, so we can’t use alleged “baseless lies” as a criterion for giving infractions. Instead, we can only regulate the kind of language a post uses in its effort to convince readers of the truth. Vigorous argument about issues is fine, but personal attacks are not allowed. Fair enough?
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman View Post
Mods don’t know who is telling the truth here, so we can’t use alleged “baseless lies” as a criterion for giving infractions. Instead, we can only regulate the kind of language a post uses in its effort to convince readers of the truth. Vigorous argument about issues is fine, but personal attacks are not allowed. Fair enough?
Fair enough...if you could, keep an eye on sudden impact, I mean scrupulous. He likes personal attacks.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
WHAT??

Do you mean to tell me that a 330+ page contract that needs a complete re-write doesn't accommodate current pilot group references, re-write, edit, proofread, and pass the lawyers recommendations all by itself??

... how lame ...
I know that I've personally seen things change at my current airline and I'll shoot him a text telling him about it. Sometimes he's not aware of it and I'm sure that sometimes factors into the construction of the document that they want. I'm one friend. He has many who contact him and I'm sure all of this requires constant updating to get it how he wants. This is just one issue I know he puts in work on. Many times he's working on this stuff at home... For FREE while everyone else is grilling out, drinking beer and watching the ball game.

Keep in mind that we all sit around in the cockpit and complain about the holes in our various contracts. What he does is extremely important and he'll be the recipient of 100% of the blame from yall when the new contract comes out - fair or not. It's important work and as a personal friend I can vouch that he isn't getting rich on it. He's doing it because he's passionate about it.

If he really wanted to get rich he'd be and be at FedEx or UPS right now. At his age that's far more lucrative than 5 hours of UB here or there and those airlines would be fortunate to have him.
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw View Post
It’s not that. It’s that we’ve been hearing for months that our side of the table is already complete in writing CBA language. We’re just waiting for the company. But not only apparently not, but apparently it takes 17 days a month EVERY month that doesn’t have a 4 day Sydney layover built in to get it written. But what do I know. I’m too tired from working to care anymore.
Have you ever wondered if he has more responsibilities than just the contract negotiations... Hmmmmmmmmm.... What if an airplane has an incident or a member wants to call him to talk about the use of UB? What if there's a grievance that he needs to spend several hours on discussing with the Stewards about retirement? What if BF and JD call a last minute meeting? So much for that fishing trip he had that X day. What if...

It's almost like that job has more responsibility than a line pilot.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
1. You know you're the only one who wanted to use the old forum and that's why you were the only person posting on it... Correct? It was a little creepy. Sort of like a crazy homeless man in ANC screaming to himself while walking down the sidewalk...

2. 1224 had their opportunity to get Johnny Knoxville out in 2017 and nobody even ran against him... That would include you. I take it that since you didn't care to run that you find it easier to simply take to APC and complain about those who do the actual work.... Or were you also satisfied with the job he was doing?

In any event... Since "your" going get him out can we hear your platform about all of the nice things you're going to do that will improve the Atlas Pilot Group situation? Other than change the way UB is done... This year 300 pilots will leave Atlas for greener pastures and I promise you it has nothing to do with UB.
  1. The forum was private to membership. Not like the current facebook page. Yes, I've been the sole poster due to no one willing to take the hits despite a very large number of members messaging me cudos and emails. If you look at the number of reads, I have many despite the site being relegated to the hinterlands. Having said this, I was almost arrested for dealing with a homeless guy in ANC back in September until they looked at the video from the restaurant. So I'm willing to back up what I say vs rhetoric.
  2. This was addressed earlier. At the last minute, our ExCo went from 5 to 7 by Eboard approval and only seven were running. Coincidence that the Eboard just magically came by this or by BK lobbying the Eboard to keep a possible challengers off to keep all the yes men in office? So ALL of the volunteers got put into office despite their qualifications. Even better for the ExCo Chair.
  3. To tell you the truth, I would have run for office. It's easier and you normally lay the work off to those more competent. I knew of three other competent folks that were thinking of running for office, but changed their minds at the last minute and I don't blame them since they have some character.
Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
Let's stick to the facts rather than making false assumptions.

UB - Pays 5 hours a day/

Per Diem - None

No per diem. You are correct. You get reimbursement instead for expenses. A little more paperwork.

UB - Only paid when a member leaves their house to do union work (all union work done at home is done for free)
Nope. A number of examples say otherwise. Guess you should complain about that.

Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
Shutting it down seems like a great idea.

When Scrupulous/Suddenimpact uses baseless lies to make personal attacks, he destroys constructive dialogue.

Question:

I guess the Mods historically did not find Suddenimpact's past behavior to be ethically of the standard worthy of participation on APC. As soon as he changed his screen name, does that action somehow change the integrity or ethical standards of APC or is he just finding a way around the mods?
Kind of funny when you don't control a site like the Facebook and union site. Equal ground sucks doesn't it. As a matter of fact, I probably shouldn't complain about your naming me here but I didn't.


Originally Posted by JackStraw View Post
I’ll gladly call later. A lot of this doesn’t add up.

Take caution. They have been willing to tell you anything. Back what they say up with 1224 legal or international. This ExCo has proven themselves disingenuous on a number of things. Don't put your job on the line with their say so. I know that isn't easy, but keep it in the back of your head.


Originally Posted by JackStraw View Post
It’s not that. It’s that we’ve been hearing for months that our side of the table is already complete in writing CBA language. We’re just waiting for the company. But not only apparently not, but apparently it takes 17 days a month EVERY month that doesn’t have a 4 day Sydney layover built in to get it written. But what do I know. I’m too tired from working to care anymore.
Ditto.

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Al I have to say is that if JonnyKnoxville offers for you to call him and ask him questions please do so. He has always been willing to talk to me and answer any questions. If you do, hopefully that will clear up any concerns that you may have and we can stop all this *****ing on an open forum.
Wish the entire ExCo would do this. I have recordings and emails saying otherwise. They are selective on who they will represent and even more so selling their narative. Wish it wasn't true, but this is who we have elected.

Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
Fair enough...if you could, keep an eye on sudden impact, I mean scrupulous. He likes personal attacks.

I don't have a personal (compensated) army as our ExCo. Most try to keep there heads down and I don't blame them considering this ExCo's actions. I would like to request the same treatment they are afforded though.


Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
Have you ever wondered if he has more responsibilities than just the contract negotiations... Hmmmmmmmmm.... What if an airplane has an incident or a member wants to call him to talk about the use of UB? What if there's a grievance that he needs to spend several hours on discussing with the Stewards about retirement? What if BF and JD call a last minute meeting? So much for that fishing trip he had that X day. What if...

It's almost like that job has more responsibility than a line pilot.

I have personally had to answer the call to the membership 24/7. Done so gladly patching in who needs to deal with such things involved at hand. I guess times change and expectations are different now. Guess volunteering has changed.



Maybe folks shouldn't volunteer for jobs they can't or won't do when it is inconvenient.

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Old 01-05-2019, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by scrupulous View Post
  1. The forum was private to membership. Not like the current facebook page. Yes, I've been the sole poster due to no one willing to take the hits despite a very large number of members messaging me cudos and emails. If you look at the number of reads, I have many despite the site being relegated to the hinterlands. Having said this, I was almost arrested for dealing with a homeless guy in ANC back in September until they looked at the video from the restaurant. So I'm willing to back up what I say vs rhetoric.
  2. This was addressed earlier. At the last minute, our ExCo went from 5 to 7 by Eboard approval and only seven were running. Coincidence that the Eboard just magically came by this or by BK lobbying the Eboard to keep a possible challengers off to keep all the yes men in office? So ALL of the volunteers got put into office despite their qualifications. Even better for the ExCo Chair.
  3. To tell you the truth, I would have run for office. It's easier and you normally lay the work off to those more competent. I knew of three other competent folks that were thinking of running for office, but changed their minds at the last minute and I don't blame them since they have some character.



No per diem. You are correct. You get reimbursement instead for expenses. A little more paperwork.

Nope. A number of examples say otherwise. Guess you should complain about that.



Kind of funny when you don't control a site like the Facebook and union site. Equal ground sucks doesn't it. As a matter of fact, I probably shouldn't complain about your naming me here but I didn't.





Take caution. They have been willing to tell you anything. Back what they say up with 1224 legal or international. This ExCo has proven themselves disingenuous on a number of things. Don't put your job on the line with their say so. I know that isn't easy, but keep it in the back of your head.




Ditto.



Wish the entire ExCo would do this. I have recordings and emails saying otherwise. They are selective on who they will represent and even more so selling their narative. Wish it wasn't true, but this is who we have elected.




I don't have a personal (compensated) army as our ExCo. Most try to keep there heads down and I don't blame them considering this ExCo's actions. I would like to request the same treatment they are afforded though.





I have personally had to answer the call to the membership 24/7. Done so gladly patching in who needs to deal with such things involved at hand. I guess times change and expectations are different now. Guess volunteering has changed.



Maybe folks shouldn't volunteer for jobs they can't or won't do when it is inconvenient.
So again... What would you do differently from current leadership? Other than UB that is the least of the Atlas Pilot Group problems right now?

What are your plans for negotiations and securing a better contract? It would seem to me like that's the biggest problem that your pilot group faces.
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Old 01-05-2019, 02:42 PM
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I can’t believe even the most basic dregs of the pilot pool would still apply to this disfunctional joke “airline”.
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw View Post
I can’t believe even the most basic dregs of the pilot pool would still apply to this disfunctional joke “airline”.
Especially when there are whacko pilots at Atlas who post paranoid anti-union rants and sling false personal accusations. I mean a guy who records his phone conversations with fellow pilots, lies about his wealth and outside businesses, and lobs cheap shots at the union officers from the sidelines instead of either helping the union or running for office himself must be a sorry sort of person!

Who would want to fly with a captain who is so cowardly as to hide behind his keyboard, "outing" his fellow pilots with lies about their personal medical conditions and their benefits? What sort of a person does this?

Certainly nobody that anyone would ever want to fly with!
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
Especially when there are whacko pilots at Atlas who post paranoid anti-union rants and sling false personal accusations. I mean a guy who records his phone conversations with fellow pilots, lies about his wealth and outside businesses, and lobs cheap shots at the union officers from the sidelines instead of either helping the union or running for office himself must be a sorry sort of person!

Who would want to fly with a captain who is so cowardly as to hide behind his keyboard, "outing" his fellow pilots with lies about their personal medical conditions and their benefits? What sort of a person does this?

Certainly nobody that anyone would ever want to fly with!
Seriously, I've got no patience for lazy folks who complain but NEVER step up, they seriously do not even run for a position. 100x easier to criticize then to do something constructive. If you think you can do it better, explain your ideas and run and you can do what you want. Not atatlas but best to ignore these kind of folks - they are often serious poison.
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