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Old 12-24-2018, 04:19 PM   #31  
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Question is, who will be in the running to replace IBT after we lose this arbitration ruling and the pilots turn on teamsters
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Old 12-24-2018, 06:39 PM   #32  
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No, I wrote that ALPA has better non-negotiations programs than the IBT. I have never mentioned IPA
Yeah, ya did. You edited your comment. And ok, fair enough, just own it. You said that ALPA was better than IBT or IPA, then you edited your comment. I don't have a dog in this fight, but damned if that doesn't seem like a straight up Lie. Maybe you didn't mean to include the IPA. It's not hard to say "woops, I added a Union I didn't mean to".
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Yeah, ya did. You edited your comment. And ok, fair enough, just own it. You said that ALPA was better than IBT or IPA, then you edited your comment. I don't have a dog in this fight, but damned if that doesn't seem like a straight up Lie. Maybe you didn't mean to include the IPA. It's not hard to say "woops, I added a Union I didn't mean to".
Dude you are very much mistaken. Must have me mixed up with someone else. So perhaps it is you who should own it.
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Old 12-24-2018, 06:53 PM   #34  
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Eh, entirely possible. Too much eggnog maybe. A thousand pardons if I got it wrong. Merry Christmas.
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Old 12-26-2018, 10:55 AM   #35  
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So typical for Delta to copy everything that Atlas does.
The only thing in common between Delta and Atlas is one Air Line used to employee a group of managers lacking creativity and talent and the other airline still does.
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Old 12-26-2018, 11:53 AM   #36  
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ATI was the last CBA signed, your on the same ramp same equipment. Sorry for screw job but you have to accept what others in like equipment are paying plus 5-10% We’re not brown, purple, or delta. Of you want that kinda pay go there everyones hiring
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ATI was the last CBA signed, your on the same ramp same equipment. Sorry for screw job but you have to accept what others in like equipment are paying plus 5-10% We’re not brown, purple, or delta. Of you want that kinda pay go there everyones hiring
You mean the CBA that was signed after the Omni CBA, yet somehow had worse hourly rates? Sounds like pattern bargaining to me.
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Arguing over ALPA/IBT misses the point. The problem isn’t the union, the problem is who the union is trying do deal with. Atlas management will ignore either organization resulting in the same outcome. I personally don’t see how one brand name union would make a difference over the other, especially considering the size of the Atlas pilot group compared to Delta or Fed Ex.
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Arguing over ALPA/IBT misses the point. The problem isn’t the union, the problem is who the union is trying do deal with. Atlas management will ignore either organization resulting in the same outcome. I personally don’t see how one brand name union would make a difference over the other, especially considering the size of the Atlas pilot group compared to Delta or Fed Ex.
The question soon will be ‘was the fight for Section 6 rights be worth it in the end’. If the outcome is a loss for the Atlas Exco there will be a lot of questions that need to be answered; specifically ‘how much did we lose over this time and why did you listen to lawyers who only benefited from this drawn-out process’.

Then again, if the judge rules in IBT’s favor it’s a massive win and will forever change the culture of the company for the better.
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Old 12-26-2018, 05:12 PM   #40  
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ALPA can help, but it seems there it too much pride.
Yup... If Atlas switched to Alpa JD and BF would immediately pick up the phone and beg leadership to take FedEx's contract... Who do you fly for again?
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