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Old 12-30-2018, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dutch747 View Post
This is one route they will could take. I'm betting they will try to bypass the union leadership and present our pilot group with an increase in wages, a few minor changes to work rules and status quo on everything else. All while yelling "LET THEM VOTE!!!"


Same thing that was done at Omni and Kalitta.


Whatever the path, Atlas Air is not a employee friendly place to hang your hat.
You are correct, sir. This seems to be the general philosophy now with union busting attorneys.
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Old 12-30-2018, 05:25 AM
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As I said neither of those companies OWN airlines....there is quite a bit more to owning an airline than just owning aircraft. He!! Wells Fargo owns aircraft, engines etc...they do not own a airline any more Amazon or DHL..domestic anyway.
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Old 12-30-2018, 05:23 PM
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As I said neither of those companies OWN airlines....there is quite a bit more to owning an airline than just owning aircraft. He!! Wells Fargo owns aircraft, engines etc...they do not own a airline any more Amazon or DHL..domestic anyway.

Why would they "want" to own an airline? They just put their freight on an airplane they dry lease to an airline for a token amount and say "make it go between here and there." Screw up enough and I'll cancel the lease, stop your management fees for handling it, and move my aircraft to airline X, Y, or Z. Works the same if the airline has it's own A/C like some of the Atlas ones also by canceling the contract. They do this(DHL) around with world with many different airlines.

Anyway, DHL does own 49% of Polar which is owned by Atlas. Amazon has warrants for 20% of Atlas Air with an option for 10% more at $37.50 per share but they have not exercised them yet. Probably waiting for the stock price to move.

So one does own in part an airline and the other can own in part an airline when they exercise their warrants.

Not sure your point other than pointing out what is an airline. I'm pointing out how they can screw with our jobs working us against each other and how they have been doing it in the past. Been their a few times.

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Old 12-31-2018, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by scrupulous View Post
Why would they "want" to own an airline? They just put their freight on an airplane they dry lease to an airline for a token amount and say "make it go between here and there." Screw up enough and I'll cancel the lease, stop your management fees for handling it, and move my aircraft to airline X, Y, or Z. Works the same if the airline has it's own A/C like some of the Atlas ones also by canceling the contract. They do this(DHL) around with world with many different airlines.

Anyway, DHL does own 49% of Polar which is owned by Atlas. Amazon has warrants for 20% of Atlas Air with an option for 10% more at $37.50 per share but they have not exercised them yet. Probably waiting for the stock price to move.

So one does own in part an airline and the other can own in part an airline when they exercise their warrants.

Not sure your point other than pointing out what is an airline. I'm pointing out how they can screw with our jobs working us against each other and how they have been doing it in the past. Been their a few times.
Amazon and DHL have little to do with the jobs at ABX.....its all management . Little man syndrome, even if it costs more money or lost profits. To caught up in being able to say " because I said so" even if it costs millions more. At one time crews where being paid 1250$ more each day for Captain's and 750$ for FO's instead for putting catering on which was the unions proposal. The answer..no catering! That will teach am! ABX could have bought a catering company for what they spent in a 3 mo period until they fixed the lines. That is one of a thousand different events that their attorneys have convinced them they can break the union over. The crews just laughed and bought better catering.

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Old 01-01-2019, 11:11 AM
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The old "shinyjetsyndrome" has become the "shiny747syndrome".
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Old 01-01-2019, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by gurugee View Post
hello guys !
i got an interview with atlas jan- 15 th 2019.
they got intervies on 14 /15/16 of january
any idea ;what equipment they are hiring these days 747/767?
Your basic understanding is wrong. The equipment is 747/777/767/737. 777 and 737 are Southern, and 747/767 are Atlas. Many of our prospects have been offered Southern class dates. Most have said no, and held out for an Atlas class date, or realized none of the above is a better option. In my opinion, they stack up like this:
Atlas 747
Southern 777
Atlas 767
Southern 737.
Read all the threads about Atlas/Southern and be informed.
PM me if you have specific questions.
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The old "shinyjetsyndrome" has become the "shiny747syndrome".
It's not what you fly, it's who you fly for....

reading this thread, Atlas guys are in a netherworld... how can you explain something is better out there when Atlas guys don't even know what better is....

If they want to be convinced that ALPA sucks, go for it... but ALPA sucks less than everyone else, simply due to the resources... the IBT doesn't have near the funds, institutional knowledge and resources as ALPA... If you don't have the funds and ability to strike the company owns the negotiation process.. combine that with Trump NMB and the only thing that is going to compel management to negotiate is labor peace and stability... if they don't see that value then you guys are screwed....

As I said... WB FOs at my carrier make more than B747 CAs at Atlas.. and that is just the pay rate... the work rules, benefits and retirement will make you weep.

But hey, you're flying the Queen.
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
Your basic understanding is wrong. The equipment is 747/777/767/737. 777 and 737 are Southern, and 747/767 are Atlas. Many of our prospects have been offered Southern class dates. Most have said no, and held out for an Atlas class date, or realized none of the above is a better option. In my opinion, they stack up like this:
Atlas 747
Southern 777
Atlas 767
Southern 737.
Read all the threads about Atlas/Southern and be informed.
PM me if you have specific questions.
All accurate, and I’d bet the W2s look about the same now for 74/77 and 76/73. Guys looking specifically to be in ANC feel free to pm me as well.
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Old 01-01-2019, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by deus ex machina View Post
It's not what you fly, it's who you fly for....

reading this thread, Atlas guys are in a netherworld... how can you explain something is better out there when Atlas guys don't even know what better is....

If they want to be convinced that ALPA sucks, go for it... but ALPA sucks less than everyone else, simply due to the resources... the IBT doesn't have near the funds, institutional knowledge and resources as ALPA... If you don't have the funds and ability to strike the company owns the negotiation process.. combine that with Trump NMB and the only thing that is going to compel management to negotiate is labor peace and stability... if they don't see that value then you guys are screwed....

As I said... WB FOs at my carrier make more than B747 CAs at Atlas.. and that is just the pay rate... the work rules, benefits and retirement will make you weep.

But hey, you're flying the Queen.
Not quite sure what point you are making here.

Atlas pilots absolutely do know what "better" is which is why those of us who haven't yet left, have chosen to stay and fight, or simply can't leave for one reason or another are fighting tooth and nail for a better contract. We continuously try to point out to Atlas applicants that they should NEVER take a job because of the equipment. We say this over and over.

As for ALPA, virtually every Atlas pilot has been an ALPA member at one point or another. We all know what ALPA is and what they have to offer. And we know that a union has practically nothing to do with the national organization and everything to do with the pilot group and their local leadership. I say this as a former 20+ year ALPA member and now as a 7+ year Teamster.

As far as a strike goes, the size of the coffers has nothing to do with whether or not Atlas pilots go on strike. You should read up a little on what conditions must exist in order for a pilot union to go on strike. It has nothing to do with financial resources.

Now, I don't know what airline you fly for and I don't really care. What I do know is that you don't really need to come to the Atlas pilot web boards and brag about just how much more you make and how much better your working conditions are. We are all very much aware that this is true at most other airlines.

If, on the other hand, you ever have something constructive or encouraging to say, then by all means, let us know!
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Originally Posted by deus ex machina View Post
It's not what you fly, it's who you fly for....

reading this thread, Atlas guys are in a netherworld... how can you explain something is better out there when Atlas guys don't even know what better is....

If they want to be convinced that ALPA sucks, go for it... but ALPA sucks less than everyone else, simply due to the resources... the IBT doesn't have near the funds, institutional knowledge and resources as ALPA... If you don't have the funds and ability to strike the company owns the negotiation process.. combine that with Trump NMB and the only thing that is going to compel management to negotiate is labor peace and stability... if they don't see that value then you guys are screwed....

As I said... WB FOs at my carrier make more than B747 CAs at Atlas.. and that is just the pay rate... the work rules, benefits and retirement will make you weep.

But hey, you're flying the Queen.
Maybe when ALPA can deliver a contract that pays their entire pilot group the total compensation that the IPA Union has achieved for their pilot group, then you can climb back on your high horse. For now, you and your ALPA carrier are playing second fiddle at best.
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