Originally Posted by freighthound
(Post 2731070)
So now you want to declare war on your fellow crew members too. Nothing like calling your co-workers a bunch of idiots all the while touting how sophisticated you are. Get over yourself.
Just look at the cargo subforum- it's like 75% ABX kicking and screaming. Has it even registered that random people wander into our threads all the time (why the hell do we start a new thread every time anything happens?) and basically say "what is the deal with all the babies around here? How spoiled are you guys?" We're a 200 pilot airline- we barely even register as existing, yet by the noise we make you'd think we're 10x the size. Your reply is kind of indicative of exactly what im talking about, and its always high drama around here with near zero self-reflection. Just lash out at anyone critical of anything except "management". "Declare war" on my fellow crewmembers, lol. As individuals, I've not found a single person here I didn't enjoy working with- including support staff. Lots of experienced and intelligent people at every level of the company. It's the culture that is broken and that's hard to fix, it's not any one person's fault, and its hard for the people that have been bogged down in it for decades to even perceive how odd it all is because it's all they know. That's all. In my opinion, it's going to take a lot less finger pointing and a lot more give and take to keep this place going and growing. I'm hardly alone in thinking we're on the wrong track |
Originally Posted by woog315
(Post 2731082)
That's a bizarre way to interpret my comment... All I'm saying is this place hasn't had a fresh set of eyes in a long time and to most outsiders it looks like two sides that have been fighting for so long that they no longer see straight and have forgotten how to function "normally" as a company.
Just look at the cargo subforum- it's like 75% ABX kicking and screaming. Has it even registered that random people wander into our threads all the time (why the hell do we start a new thread every time anything happens?) and basically say "what is the deal with all the babies around here? How spoiled are you guys?" We're a 200 pilot airline- we barely even register as existing, yet by the noise we make you'd think we're 10x the size. Your reply is kind of indicative of exactly what im talking about, and its always high drama around here with near zero self-reflection. Just lash out at anyone critical of anything except "management". "Declare war" on my fellow crewmembers, lol. As individuals, I've not found a single person here I didn't enjoy working with- including support staff. Lots of experienced and intelligent people at every level of the company. It's the culture that is broken and that's hard to fix, it's not any one person's fault, and its hard for the people that have been bogged down in it for decades to even perceive how odd it all is because it's all they know. That's all. In my opinion, it's going to take a lot less finger pointing and a lot more give and take to keep this place going and growing. I'm hardly alone in thinking we're on the wrong track |
Originally Posted by freighthound
(Post 2731085)
Well said. I apologize for not being smart enough to understand what you were saying. Too much egg nog with the late night gift wrapping probably didn’t help. Have a Merry Christmas!
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Originally Posted by maxjet
(Post 2731029)
Not dense at all. For 22 years I was that cop working many of those Christmas’. After my children were older, I volunteered to work for the younger guys and gals. All for a max pay of 63k.
You have no idea how it sickens me to read this complaining. Blame it on management? Ok maybe. Last time I looked this thread came out before Christmas. Are you seriously suggesting that with the available time that arrangements can’t be made by calling the company? Staff people are working at my airline.Not theirs? No, it is better to take no action and come on here and try to get people to feel sorry for you. Pathetic |
This is the problem with our country now. Instead of taking care of yourself, and helping others, you want someone else to provide for everything and then when they do it’s never enough. I do agree this isn’t much but being an adult I know how to and would take care of myself if I was doing R1 today. Instead of complaining on here why don’t some of those sitting at home or in their crash pad near CVG get with others and prepare a meal then go to bldg 6 and celebrate Christmas and share an hour with the poor starving R1 crews. Nothing to cry about then. Show the company what compassion looks like instead of demanding it from them and faking offense. Merry Christmas.
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Originally Posted by Makinitup
(Post 2731114)
This is the problem with our country now. Instead of taking care of yourself, and helping others, you want someone else to provide for everything and then when they do it’s never enough. I do agree this isn’t much but being an adult I know how to and would take care of myself if I was doing R1 today. Instead of complaining on here why don’t some of those sitting at home or in their crash pad near CVG get with others and prepare a meal then go to bldg 6 and celebrate Christmas and share an hour with the poor starving R1 crews. Nothing to cry about then. Show the company what compassion looks like instead of demanding it from them and faking offense. Merry Christmas.
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Originally Posted by freighthound
(Post 2731117)
Doing R1 is no different than going on a flight. You are confined to a limited area with no access to food for 10-12 hours. If you also think that no flight out of CVG should be catered and that the pilots should all bring their own food, then you are consistent. If not then you argument is nothing more than an attack on fellow pilots, a trait way too common on these threads and is most distasteful.
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Originally Posted by Makinitup
(Post 2731124)
For over 20 years, that I’ve been here, the company hasn’t provided catering for us. I either eat before flight or ensure I have something in my backpack to get me through. Don’t want them or need them to provide for me. Besides how much are we to give up in our next contract for a ham and cheese sandwich. Regardless of how inadequate it still costs and the company isn’t going to do it out of love for us. Nor would we do anything for them out of love.
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
(Post 2731132)
I did not see anywhere that someone was complaining about catering....this was about R1 meals which are already addressed in the current contract when the cafeteria is closed. Everyone has their own solution figuring the company will ignore the contract...not the point of this whole thread. You mention "next" contract...now that is funny.
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I bet all the ASTAR pilots are remembering 2009, and enjoying a good laugh at this thread. Merry Christmas!
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