ABX Christmas meals
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 221
Just look at the cargo subforum- it's like 75% ABX kicking and screaming. Has it even registered that random people wander into our threads all the time (why the hell do we start a new thread every time anything happens?) and basically say "what is the deal with all the babies around here? How spoiled are you guys?" We're a 200 pilot airline- we barely even register as existing, yet by the noise we make you'd think we're 10x the size. Your reply is kind of indicative of exactly what im talking about, and its always high drama around here with near zero self-reflection. Just lash out at anyone critical of anything except "management". "Declare war" on my fellow crewmembers, lol. As individuals, I've not found a single person here I didn't enjoy working with- including support staff. Lots of experienced and intelligent people at every level of the company. It's the culture that is broken and that's hard to fix, it's not any one person's fault, and its hard for the people that have been bogged down in it for decades to even perceive how odd it all is because it's all they know. That's all. In my opinion, it's going to take a lot less finger pointing and a lot more give and take to keep this place going and growing. I'm hardly alone in thinking we're on the wrong track
#22
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 75
That's a bizarre way to interpret my comment... All I'm saying is this place hasn't had a fresh set of eyes in a long time and to most outsiders it looks like two sides that have been fighting for so long that they no longer see straight and have forgotten how to function "normally" as a company.
Just look at the cargo subforum- it's like 75% ABX kicking and screaming. Has it even registered that random people wander into our threads all the time (why the hell do we start a new thread every time anything happens?) and basically say "what is the deal with all the babies around here? How spoiled are you guys?" We're a 200 pilot airline- we barely even register as existing, yet by the noise we make you'd think we're 10x the size. Your reply is kind of indicative of exactly what im talking about, and its always high drama around here with near zero self-reflection. Just lash out at anyone critical of anything except "management". "Declare war" on my fellow crewmembers, lol. As individuals, I've not found a single person here I didn't enjoy working with- including support staff. Lots of experienced and intelligent people at every level of the company. It's the culture that is broken and that's hard to fix, it's not any one person's fault, and its hard for the people that have been bogged down in it for decades to even perceive how odd it all is because it's all they know. That's all. In my opinion, it's going to take a lot less finger pointing and a lot more give and take to keep this place going and growing. I'm hardly alone in thinking we're on the wrong track
Just look at the cargo subforum- it's like 75% ABX kicking and screaming. Has it even registered that random people wander into our threads all the time (why the hell do we start a new thread every time anything happens?) and basically say "what is the deal with all the babies around here? How spoiled are you guys?" We're a 200 pilot airline- we barely even register as existing, yet by the noise we make you'd think we're 10x the size. Your reply is kind of indicative of exactly what im talking about, and its always high drama around here with near zero self-reflection. Just lash out at anyone critical of anything except "management". "Declare war" on my fellow crewmembers, lol. As individuals, I've not found a single person here I didn't enjoy working with- including support staff. Lots of experienced and intelligent people at every level of the company. It's the culture that is broken and that's hard to fix, it's not any one person's fault, and its hard for the people that have been bogged down in it for decades to even perceive how odd it all is because it's all they know. That's all. In my opinion, it's going to take a lot less finger pointing and a lot more give and take to keep this place going and growing. I'm hardly alone in thinking we're on the wrong track
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 221
I was trying too hard to be funny and sarcastic in how I said it originally. Merry Christmas
#24
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,807
Not dense at all. For 22 years I was that cop working many of those Christmas’. After my children were older, I volunteered to work for the younger guys and gals. All for a max pay of 63k.
You have no idea how it sickens me to read this complaining. Blame it on management? Ok maybe. Last time I looked this thread came out before Christmas. Are you seriously suggesting that with the available time that arrangements can’t be made by calling the company? Staff people are working at my airline.Not theirs? No, it is better to take no action and come on here and try to get people to feel sorry for you. Pathetic
You have no idea how it sickens me to read this complaining. Blame it on management? Ok maybe. Last time I looked this thread came out before Christmas. Are you seriously suggesting that with the available time that arrangements can’t be made by calling the company? Staff people are working at my airline.Not theirs? No, it is better to take no action and come on here and try to get people to feel sorry for you. Pathetic
Last edited by nitefr8dog; 12-25-2018 at 05:02 AM.
#25
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Position: B767 Capt.
Posts: 27
This is the problem with our country now. Instead of taking care of yourself, and helping others, you want someone else to provide for everything and then when they do it’s never enough. I do agree this isn’t much but being an adult I know how to and would take care of myself if I was doing R1 today. Instead of complaining on here why don’t some of those sitting at home or in their crash pad near CVG get with others and prepare a meal then go to bldg 6 and celebrate Christmas and share an hour with the poor starving R1 crews. Nothing to cry about then. Show the company what compassion looks like instead of demanding it from them and faking offense. Merry Christmas.
#26
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 75
This is the problem with our country now. Instead of taking care of yourself, and helping others, you want someone else to provide for everything and then when they do it’s never enough. I do agree this isn’t much but being an adult I know how to and would take care of myself if I was doing R1 today. Instead of complaining on here why don’t some of those sitting at home or in their crash pad near CVG get with others and prepare a meal then go to bldg 6 and celebrate Christmas and share an hour with the poor starving R1 crews. Nothing to cry about then. Show the company what compassion looks like instead of demanding it from them and faking offense. Merry Christmas.
#27
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Position: B767 Capt.
Posts: 27
Doing R1 is no different than going on a flight. You are confined to a limited area with no access to food for 10-12 hours. If you also think that no flight out of CVG should be catered and that the pilots should all bring their own food, then you are consistent. If not then you argument is nothing more than an attack on fellow pilots, a trait way too common on these threads and is most distasteful.
#28
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,807
For over 20 years, that I’ve been here, the company hasn’t provided catering for us. I either eat before flight or ensure I have something in my backpack to get me through. Don’t want them or need them to provide for me. Besides how much are we to give up in our next contract for a ham and cheese sandwich. Regardless of how inadequate it still costs and the company isn’t going to do it out of love for us. Nor would we do anything for them out of love.
#29
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Position: B767 Capt.
Posts: 27
I did not see anywhere that someone was complaining about catering....this was about R1 meals which are already addressed in the current contract when the cafeteria is closed. Everyone has their own solution figuring the company will ignore the contract...not the point of this whole thread. You mention "next" contract...now that is funny.
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