Riverside

I don't recall any other cargo carriers flying ABX freight during that time frame....

FlyAstarJets

You’re absolutely correct Riverside. No other cargo carrier flew ABX freight, and that includes ATI.
ATI never moved ABX freight OR worked an ABX route in that time frame. In fact, an ATI flight was asked to divert to ATL to “rescue some freight”. The ATI crew REFUSED TO DO SO knowing that freight was to be going on an ABX airplane.

nitefr8dog

What else is funny...the court ordered ATSG to immediately stop denying 2 of the 3 items the strike was about and to reach an agreement on the 3rd item. That resulted in hugh payouts in the form of bonus cks to the majority of the pilot group to settle the 3rd item. So all three items that were a violation of status quo were resolved. Had the ABX pilots not taken the action they did they most likely would have been quite a bit more serious contract violations...thankfully the ABX crews had balls enough to do something about it. We all know ATI would sit by and get walked all over as your assets are transferred. Joe knows that too.There was more to the status quo violations than the 3 items but I do not think you could understand as you do not have scope that is worth anything because no one at ATI has any hair on there a$$.

Jurassic Jet

Those darn pesky facts keep getting in the way of those SkyGod Prime Air Pilots.

zerozero

Incorrect.

A judge ruled in favor of the union that the company had committed a violation of the status quo.

Being released by the NMB is not the only path to a legal strike.

The judge allowed the strike to continue for 2.5 days before ordering crews back to work.

Totally legal and by the book.

iPilot

The ABX strike was total success I don't know why people think it wasn't. The judge ended the strike but put extremely strict terms on negotiations for a settlement between the union and ATSG. Making an airline sit around for weeks while terms are hashed out is unreasonable and would simply risk an airline going out of business before anyone even has time to deal with the problem.

Status quo strikes is right there in the rule book of the RLA. The fact that more airline unions don't take advantage of it is more a union issue than a law issue.

dogo

Additionally the strike proved the point of the whipsaw. Joe Hete has hated unions and organized labor since his early days at Airborne Express. (Reference his scum sucking scorpions to crew members in the mid 90’s). Soaper is worse....hopefully he will get his job action as well.

wjcandee

You know, I keep reading all these interpretations of the ruling. But I have actually read all the rulings. The most-salient synopsis is the Court's own synopsis of its prior rulings when the Union challenged the TRO.

You can read it too. It is here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ohsd-1_16-cv-01096/pdf/USCOURTS-ohsd-1_16-cv-01096-1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiFucqV7pXjAhVPHc0KHYC2CPEQFjAAegQ IAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1THR-f0UhiBNcuQcjcHUle

It says pretty unequivocally that the three issues were all "minor disputes" in the rubric of the RLA that needed to be resolved by arbitration. It also says that there is no status quo violation by the Company on any of those three issues. As to the legality of the strike, in an earlier order, the Court stated that it had the power to enjoin illegal strikes, and then issued the injunction. For those who say the court never said the strike was illegal, that's the deduction that a higher court would make in evaluating the Court's reasoning. In other words, the court did in fact determine this strike to be illegal, which is why it enjoined it.

I read so much about that strike, I think putting up a viewpoint based on the actual Court rulings might be helpful for folks.

wjcandee

Cleaner link: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...cv-01096-1.pdf

woog315

Yup, the strike was an airline destroying screwup by the union and the leadership should have had the graciousness to step down a long time ago so there could be some chance of healing and moving forward. Instead, they've done nothing but dig the hole deeper since. If management had made a misstep that had the kind of negative fallout the strike had, union leadership would be calling for their heads to roll.

People trying to argue that the strike wasn't ruled illegal probably simply can't interpret a court document (or haven't bothered to read it) or just prefer to stick their head in the sand rather than face reality. The latter is a fairly common problem at ol' ABX.