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Old 07-02-2019, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
You know, I keep reading all these interpretations of the ruling. But I have actually read all the rulings. The most-salient synopsis is the Court's own synopsis of its prior rulings when the Union challenged the TRO.

You can read it too. It is here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ohsd-1_16-cv-01096/pdf/USCOURTS-ohsd-1_16-cv-01096-1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiFucqV7pXjAhVPHc0KHYC2CPEQFjAAegQ IAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1THR-f0UhiBNcuQcjcHUle

It says pretty unequivocally that the three issues were all "minor disputes" in the rubric of the RLA that needed to be resolved by arbitration. It also says that there is no status quo violation by the Company on any of those three issues. As to the legality of the strike, in an earlier order, the Court stated that it had the power to enjoin illegal strikes, and then issued the injunction. For those who say the court never said the strike was illegal, that's the deduction that a higher court would make in evaluating the Court's reasoning. In other words, the court did in fact determine this strike to be illegal, which is why it enjoined it. Also the courts opinion of major or minor with Republicans in office that are certainly not pro union means jack s#!t. We were and still are in sec 6 negotiations...you have to have b@!!s enough to protect what's your.

I read so much about that strike, I think putting up a viewpoint based on the actual Court rulings might be helpful for folks.
I for one have never said illegal or not illegal. Necessary vs not necessary?....yes it was. Again there was quite a bit more to to the strike than the 3 items and management drawing a line in the sand and waiting to see if we would cross it. And it cost them hundreds of thousands to settle the items which the court ordered. I dare say if the threat of moving ABX aircraft to sister companies was in front of us again it would happen again. We were in section 6 negotiations and the pilot group not the court has the right to determine a status quo violation and have b@!!s enough to do something about it. So in the end your opinion of what happened and your interpretation of the events really only matters to you....and a few other idiots that will probably chime in...
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Old 07-05-2019, 01:51 PM
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For the fo's getting interviews and job offers at ATI, what are your ballpark flight times? I'm just waiting to throw in an app once the hiring window opens again and I've got 2000tt mostly turboprop, an atp, and some international time hoping to be competitive enough for an interview invite...
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog View Post
the pilot group not the court has the right to determine a status quo violation
Hahahahahaa. Yeah, tell that to the court. Or the sheriff who the court will call to come lock up your union hall. Or the bank which the court will call to empty your union account.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Boris Badenov View Post
Hahahahahaa. Yeah, tell that to the court. Or the sheriff who the court will call to come lock up your union hall. Or the bank which the court will call to empty your union account.
Hahahahahaa. Yeah we did......the Judge ordered the company to settle all three items and then the company paid out hugh amounts of cash to the pilot group as part of that settlement. So neither of your two scenarios happened. Try again. You might have to grow a pair first. Hahahahahahahaa.
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Old 07-06-2019, 08:51 AM
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Hahahahahaa. Yeah we did......the Judge ordered the company to settle all three items.
Um...no he didn't. He found that the company had already reached agreement as to how to handle those issues. The strike was a strategic gambit by the Union with a number of motivating factors. But it's not like the entire membership was up in arms over when you got to take your Baby Days. The alleged status quo violations were a basis to go forward on a strike that Union leadership very much wanted to have, not a reaction to those "minor issues" under the RLA, which were legally required to be worked out through negotiation and did not form a basis for a legal strike. What's important is that ABX crew members do believe that the strike was a good thing to do and, legal or not, they seem to be happy that they did it. And to a certain extent, that's all that matters.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog View Post
Hahahahahaa. Yeah we did......the Judge ordered the company to settle all three items and then the company paid out hugh amounts of cash to the pilot group as part of that settlement. So neither of your two scenarios happened. Try again. You might have to grow a pair first. Hahahahahahahaa.
He also ordered you all back to work, as "it simply reaffirms that the pilots cannot strike with respect to the three minor disputes discussed herein".
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:14 AM
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I wish there were a way to block discussions of the ABX strike that happened 3 years ago. It's getting reeeeeally tired at this point.......
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
Um...no he didn't. He found that the company had already reached agreement as to how to handle those issues. The strike was a strategic gambit by the Union with a number of motivating factors. But it's not like the entire membership was up in arms over when you got to take your Baby Days. The alleged status quo violations were a basis to go forward on a strike that Union leadership very much wanted to have, not a reaction to those "minor issues" under the RLA, which were legally required to be worked out through negotiation and did not form a basis for a legal strike. What's important is that ABX crew members do believe that the strike was a good thing to do and, legal or not, they seem to be happy that they did it. And to a certain extent, that's all that matters.
Um...no he didn't. He found the company was not following the contract and the agreements to resolve them were also not in agreement with the contract and told the company to cease. Then the company stopped and paid cash to settle them. You guys are complete idiots if you thing the 3 scheduling items were the reason for the strike. But because you have no idea what was going on you keep whining on and on. ABX HAS SCOPE...something ATI will never understand. If you guys had any hair on your a$$ and actually stood up for something you would see Joe dismantle you overnight while you stand by and say...huh
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I wish there were a way to block discussions of the ABX strike that happened 3 years ago. It's getting reeeeeally tired at this point.......
Stop looking at the posts...watch golf or tennis. Wimbledon is on right now.
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Originally Posted by b707guy View Post
He also ordered you all back to work, as "it simply reaffirms that the pilots cannot strike with respect to the three minor disputes discussed herein".
They can and we did.....we also did not allow any aircraft on our certificate to go to ATI as Joe demanded. If you have no idea about the issues surrounding the strike.. why comment?
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