ATI hiring through 2019
07-15-2019, 05:02 AM
#421
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Originally Posted by goinaround
So is the majority of your flying for Amazon? Or is it DHL and a TON of reserve lines with a 1 or 3 AM start?
Here's the offline commute policy:
The provisions of paragraphs 6, 7 and 8 of this Letter of Agreement shall apply to Crewmembers jumpseating on other CASS carriers provided that the Crewmember schedules his jumpseat at a time when there are at least two (2) back-up flights and the scheduled jumpseat is on a flight that is scheduled to arrive at least five (5) hours prior to his show time. The attempts to jumpseat on these flights must be verifiable.
I'm not great at math....but that sounds like day off commuting to me...
Here's the offline commute policy:
The provisions of paragraphs 6, 7 and 8 of this Letter of Agreement shall apply to Crewmembers jumpseating on other CASS carriers provided that the Crewmember schedules his jumpseat at a time when there are at least two (2) back-up flights and the scheduled jumpseat is on a flight that is scheduled to arrive at least five (5) hours prior to his show time. The attempts to jumpseat on these flights must be verifiable.
I'm not great at math....but that sounds like day off commuting to me...
07-15-2019, 06:24 AM
#422
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Originally Posted by goinaround
So is the majority of your flying for Amazon? Or is it DHL and a TON of reserve lines with a 1 or 3 AM start?
Here's the offline commute policy:
The provisions of paragraphs 6, 7 and 8 of this Letter of Agreement shall apply to Crewmembers jumpseating on other CASS carriers provided that the Crewmember schedules his jumpseat at a time when there are at least two (2) back-up flights and the scheduled jumpseat is on a flight that is scheduled to arrive at least five (5) hours prior to his show time. The attempts to jumpseat on these flights must be verifiable.
I'm not great at math....but that sounds like day off commuting to me...
Here's the offline commute policy:
The provisions of paragraphs 6, 7 and 8 of this Letter of Agreement shall apply to Crewmembers jumpseating on other CASS carriers provided that the Crewmember schedules his jumpseat at a time when there are at least two (2) back-up flights and the scheduled jumpseat is on a flight that is scheduled to arrive at least five (5) hours prior to his show time. The attempts to jumpseat on these flights must be verifiable.
I'm not great at math....but that sounds like day off commuting to me...
07-16-2019, 03:32 AM
#423
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,803
Originally Posted by maxjet
If you don’t live in base and drive, don’t most pilots commute on day 0? The benefit I have is that I can usually pick the flight I want and just smile when there is a delay or cancellation, knowing that if I get stuck at the hub on a transfer that I just make a phone call and I have a hotel room. (And keep the points) BTW, they pay me perdiem for the day, and 50% DH pay for my troubles.
07-16-2019, 04:50 AM
#424
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
At ABX commuting to domicile yes. I would say 75 % of our commuters ride the system from an airport close to home the night before work with missed trip contract protection.....our commercial trips that start on day one basically all the same as you said. Drive to airport get stuck at a hub, get a hotel, perdiem, 50% pay credit, blah, blah, blah. All pretty standard contract stuff. With CVG one of the most expensive airports to commercial in/out of into position....we can usually airline to and from home without a fight. Unless of course the airline portion starts in the middle of a pairing...then you are commercially from domicile.
07-16-2019, 05:10 AM
#425
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Posts: 1,803
Originally Posted by maxjet
Seems like a good situation to me. At K4 most of us still consider our work month to be 17 days. Most of us travel on day 0 to be in position to start our 16 day rotation. If they don’t need you they have been pretty good at sending you home a day or so early. So far, I have not heard of anybody showing up at home early and having to kick their wife’s Boyfriend out :-)
07-16-2019, 04:03 PM
#426
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,123
Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
At ABX commuting to domicile yes. I would say 75 % of our commuters ride the system from an airport close to home the night before work with missed trip contract protection.....our commercial trips that start on day one basically all the same as you said. Drive to airport get stuck at a hub, get a hotel, perdiem, 50% pay credit, blah, blah, blah. All pretty standard contract stuff. With CVG one of the most expensive airports to commercial in/out of into position....we can usually airline to and from home without a fight. Unless of course the airline portion starts in the middle of a pairing...then you are commercially from domicile.
At mine, First/last duty days are travel days. On duty with company provided tickets. We also have 2 over ride days that are rarely used because they have to pay considerable over rides to work you.
So the 18 days is really 16, two of which are your travel days so it’s really 14 days. Somewhere in that mess is at least a 30 hour. So, most you’re working is 13. In reality it’s far less. Average guy flys 25-48 hours a month. The rest is DH all over to sit short/long call in cities all over the world. Next year the 18 drops to 17.
07-16-2019, 04:49 PM
#427
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,803
Originally Posted by Cujo665
At several other ACMI you do not travel on your days off.
At mine, First/last duty days are travel days. On duty with company provided tickets. We also have 2 over ride days that are rarely used because they have to pay considerable over rides to work you.
So the 18 days is really 16, two of which are your travel days so it’s really 14 days. Somewhere in that mess is at least a 30 hour. So, most you’re working is 13. In reality it’s far less. Average guy flys 25-48 hours a month. The rest is DH all over to sit short/long call in cities all over the world. Next year the 18 drops to 17.
At mine, First/last duty days are travel days. On duty with company provided tickets. We also have 2 over ride days that are rarely used because they have to pay considerable over rides to work you.
So the 18 days is really 16, two of which are your travel days so it’s really 14 days. Somewhere in that mess is at least a 30 hour. So, most you’re working is 13. In reality it’s far less. Average guy flys 25-48 hours a month. The rest is DH all over to sit short/long call in cities all over the world. Next year the 18 drops to 17.
07-16-2019, 07:28 PM
#428
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
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Posts: 3,123
Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
Yes....our commercials are all on a work day. There are many ways to gain extra days...I bid the lines that either DH or comm into position on your first/last day that are close to where I live and cancel the DHs and stay home 2 extra days. I think most pilots are pretty good at maximizing time at home and doing as little work as necessary. I also going to take a stab that most 7,8,9 day pairings have 30-36 hr layover somewhere built in it to reset the clock...ours do.
07-17-2019, 04:35 AM
#429
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Posts: 1,803
Originally Posted by Cujo665
A few posts earlier you said 75% of your pilots go in the night before work to get missed trip protection. Just trying to figure out which it is?
07-17-2019, 04:45 AM
#430
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,803
Originally Posted by Cujo665
At several other ACMI you do not travel on your days off.
At mine, First/last duty days are travel days. On duty with company provided tickets. We also have 2 over ride days that are rarely used because they have to pay considerable over rides to work you.
So the 18 days is really 16, two of which are your travel days so it’s really 14 days. Somewhere in that mess is at least a 30 hour. So, most you’re working is 13. In reality it’s far less. Average guy flys 25-48 hours a month. The rest is DH all over to sit short/long call in cities all over the world. Next year the 18 drops to 17.
At mine, First/last duty days are travel days. On duty with company provided tickets. We also have 2 over ride days that are rarely used because they have to pay considerable over rides to work you.
So the 18 days is really 16, two of which are your travel days so it’s really 14 days. Somewhere in that mess is at least a 30 hour. So, most you’re working is 13. In reality it’s far less. Average guy flys 25-48 hours a month. The rest is DH all over to sit short/long call in cities all over the world. Next year the 18 drops to 17.
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