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Old 01-01-2019, 05:47 PM   #61  
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Pretty simple to do the math. We are training 16 every 3 weeks. There are 7 Captains per 747. 5 per 767/777. On the 747 we have 2 FOís for every CA. I donít see how a pilot hired today could expect to be a CA in 2 years. However, I have been wrong lots of times before.


Is this still an Ati hiring thread? Last I checked they had no 777ís and no 747ís. Asking for a friend.


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Old 01-01-2019, 07:07 PM   #62  
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Is this still an Ati hiring thread? Last I checked they had no 777ís and no 747ís. Asking for a friend.


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Who cares about ATI. Go to a better company.
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Is this still an Ati hiring thread? Last I checked they had no 777ís and no 747ís. Asking for a friend.
Friends don't let friends go to ATI.
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:25 PM   #64  
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Pretty simple to do the math. We are training 16 every 3 weeks. There are 7 Captains per 747. 5 per 767/777. On the 747 we have 2 FOís for every CA. I donít see how a pilot hired today could expect to be a CA in 2 years. However, I have been wrong lots of times before.
Quite a number of people end up bypassing upgrade for their desired aircraft or bypassing upgrade all together. Plus slight attrition.. There could be a very good chance.
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Amazon doesnít contract directly with any of the carriers inside the ATSG Holding company. The contract is between Amazon and ATSG. Then the decision to assign airplanes is done internally within ATSG. No pilot group works directly for Amazon.
You are absolutely correct. The whipsaw decisions within ATSG are the domain of Joe Hete. Time will tell how he intends to manipulate 3 pilot groups.
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Old 01-03-2019, 06:22 PM   #66  
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For what its worth

Lots of us have picked up a quick 1k pic in the 76. Lots if guys are getting interviews

Look this isnt a career job. You can make good money as a captain and be out of here in 4yrs or less. The guys on here are lifers at ACMI. Just move through it and get your time. UPS seems to be giving us and atlas a lot of interviews right now. Guys are getting interviews everywhere though. Even 25yr senior ATI captains will tell you to get in and out.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:25 AM   #67  
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Kalitta, Omni and a few others have certainly become viable careers in their own right.

It’s interesting that you complain about lagging 10%-20% behind the industry while listing Frontier as competitive pilot pay. Go on their threads, they’re complaining about the last TA being, yep you guesssed it 10%-20% less than Spirit and much less than Jetblue.

Look, there are lots of folks who don’t think a schedule of 4 on 3 off, fighting for a jumpseat to and from a crashpad is an improvement from positive space and guaranteed hotels. You have Kalitta senior CA’s making over $300k and several over $500k. Senior Omni CA’s are doing over $300k as well.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both career paths. If you don’t like where you’re at, leave. I’ll add one thing... ask some of your coworkers who came from regionals where they truly got crap pay and were abused daily how they like working at your company.... see, it’s all relative, and the grass is always greener. For me, I made more as a first year FO at Omni than I ever made as a regional CA. No crashpads, no commuting headaches, lots of time off in big enough chunks to actually take the family on vacations several times a year. Best kept secret in aviation in my opinion.

The other carriers will catch up in CBA aspects as the pilot shortage worsens and they can’t staff. They’ll either pay appropriately or close from all the cancelled flights.
Problem with ACMI is stability; contracts bounce around and sometimes dry up, just like regionals. It is easy to do a look back and say if you were hired at Polar, Atlas, K4, or Omni in the early 2000s this career has been a decent success, but they are the exceptions, not the rule in ACMI. Meanwhile, guys who were hired at World (which definitely had a leading CBA in it's heyday), Gemini, RyanAir, ChampionAir, KittyHawk, Centurion, ATA, Airborne, Yellow Air Cargo, etc. have probably had to start over 2-3 times. It's like if you were lucky enough to buy 5,000 shares of AAPL in 2003 and have held since then, its easy to love and brag about the stock market to someone that has broken even.

Also to be fair Omni only got a good contract in the last year or so, and K4 two years before them, it has hardly been smooth sailing for them. It wasn't long ago, I bumped into an Omni FO considering quitting the industry because he was making 65k as 777 FO and was just "tired of it." Atlas is a mess now, but may turn out to be the beez-knees when they get a new CBA over there. This isn't a diss either, its just the facts as they stand. Everyone is high on the hog because the industry is booming, but it won't last forever, the retirements peak in a few more years and at some point there will be a recession again. It may it actually be a rocky road to be at the highest paid ACMI when that happens. I agree 100% that home-basing is awesome, but I'd pick up and move my family for a certain airline based in ATL for an extra 1-2 million in career earnings. Legacy all the way.

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Problem with ACMI is stability; contracts bounce around and sometimes dry up, just like regionals. It is easy to do a look back and say if you were hired at Polar, Atlas, K4, or Omni in the early 2000s this career has been a decent success, but they are the exceptions, not the rule in ACMI. Meanwhile, guys who were hired at World (which definitely had a leading CBA in it's heyday), Gemini, RyanAir, ChampionAir, KittyHawk, Centurion, ATA, Airborne, Yellow Air Cargo, etc. have probably had to start over 2-3 times. It's like if you were lucky enough to buy 5,000 shares of AAPL in 2003 and have held since then, its easy to love and brag about the stock market to someone that has broken even.

Also to be fair Omni only got a good contract in the last year or so, and K4 two years before them, it has hardly been smooth sailing for them. It wasn't long ago, I bumped into an Omni FO considering quitting the industry because he was making 65k as 777 FO and was just "tired of it." Atlas is a mess now, but may turn out to be the beez-knees when they get a new CBA over there. This isn't a diss either, its just the facts as they stand. Everyone is high on the hog because the industry is booming, but it won't last forever, the retirements peak in a few more years and at some point there will be a recession again. It may it actually be a rocky road to be at the highest paid ACMI when that happens. I agree 100% that home-basing is awesome, but I'd pick up and move my family for a certain airline based in ATL for an extra 1-2 million in career earnings. Legacy all the way.

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Don’t disagree. Just said they’ve become a viable career path instead of a stepping stone. That doesn’t mean there aren’t better jobs out there. There are also those who’ll never be able to move into base; Everybody’s situations are different. For many, the QOL of never needing a crashpad and never having to jumpseat to/from work, and having huge blocks of days off all together outweigh the other choices. The new 767 pay scales at K4 & Omni are $20 an hour above UAL on the same equipment at 12 year longevity. (Using APC data) Throw some of that extra cash in the 401(k) and you’re about even, right? Point being there are trade offs with any job. Pick what works for you.

I do agree about ACMI being somewhat less stable contract wise. However, recessions hit mainlines also, so do bankruptcy contracts. Ask the thousands of guys AA furloughed, some of whom were lucky enough (cursed enough) to flow back to Captain jobs at Eagle for over a decade.

Even with the deceased contract stability, the real industry driver for the next 14 years will be pilot staffing. It’s nit going to be lowest bidder... it’s going to be who can actually fly the contracted flights. That takes pilots. Pilots are the new currency, not service contracts. The companies with the pilots to do the flying will get the contracts. We aren’t there yet, but 2019 is when the retirements really start to kick into high gear.
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:48 AM   #69  
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Hello,

I am trying to apply to ATI, but FO job seems closed.
Is there window that will open anytime soon?
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:22 AM   #70  
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Hello,

I am trying to apply to ATI, but FO job seems closed.
Is there window that will open anytime soon?
ATI's Online Hiring Window, like other airlines (oh say like Omni's which you inquired about in another thread), open and close periodically. When HR decides it needs to freshen up the pool, they will announce it and someone will post it here.
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