ATI hiring through 2019
#81
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I've never heard any of our Union guys claiming that 400K, 500k, or even 600k is impossible at K4.
But let's have a quick math check.
Top rate at DOS+1 (I know, they're on DOS+2 now, but can't use those numbers until this time next year to make any claims) is $262.16, right? To have made $600k, that 12+ year 747 line captain would have to average 190 credit hours each month for 12 months. Pretty remarkable number there! But, impossible, even for only one? Who am I to say?
To have made $400k, that comes to 127 hours each month for 12 months. Also a pretty remarkable number, but certainly attainable in the 747.
But I am confident that it would be pert-near impossible for a K4 767 line pilot to have made $400k last year. Or this year, for that matter. Not while having a life as most of us would want it, anyway.
And, last I checked, ATI has less than 1 747.
Y'all just keep beating your chests. It's entertaining. And you have no idea what's going on over here.
But let's have a quick math check.
Top rate at DOS+1 (I know, they're on DOS+2 now, but can't use those numbers until this time next year to make any claims) is $262.16, right? To have made $600k, that 12+ year 747 line captain would have to average 190 credit hours each month for 12 months. Pretty remarkable number there! But, impossible, even for only one? Who am I to say?
To have made $400k, that comes to 127 hours each month for 12 months. Also a pretty remarkable number, but certainly attainable in the 747.
But I am confident that it would be pert-near impossible for a K4 767 line pilot to have made $400k last year. Or this year, for that matter. Not while having a life as most of us would want it, anyway.
And, last I checked, ATI has less than 1 747.
Y'all just keep beating your chests. It's entertaining. And you have no idea what's going on over here.
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I don't mean to sound condescending, but have you done long haul flying? It's brutal on the body, those numbers your posting are probably possible at Kalitta, but practical year over year? No way, that would put you in the grave quick, and your personal life would be virtually non existant. The guys that are making 600k a year are probably sim instructors or something, but that's an extremely hard gig to get. The 50 hours a month I average on the airplane here is the same or harder than the 80 hours when I flew domestic narrowbody.
#85
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Folks averaging 190 hrs likely need to have months over 200 hrs to balance out softer months. I'd be curious what one of these 200 hrs months even looks like from schedule standpoint. And these are senior 12 year guys to be getting top rate - that's serious commitment at that age to a ton of flying each and every month for the entire year.
#86
I don't mean to sound condescending, but have you done long haul flying? It's brutal on the body, those numbers your posting are probably possible at Kalitta, but practical year over year? No way, that would put you in the grave quick, and your personal life would be virtually non existant. The guys that are making 600k a year are probably sim instructors or something, but that's an extremely hard gig to get. The 50 hours a month I average on the airplane here is the same or harder than the 80 hours when I flew domestic narrowbody.
#88
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Pay hours aren't the same as flight hours. If you are senior and get awarded an 80 hour line, working a day off automatically adds 4 hours on top of your guarantee. Any hours flown on a day off are at 1.5x and added on top of guarantee. Any flight hours flown above your guarantee on a day on are added on top of the guarantee.
Being awarded a high hour line and working a few off days a month is all it takes to bring home big numbers. Nearly everyone in the past year has broken guarantee each month. This year will be interesting, I have a feeling that OT will be harder to get.
Being awarded a high hour line and working a few off days a month is all it takes to bring home big numbers. Nearly everyone in the past year has broken guarantee each month. This year will be interesting, I have a feeling that OT will be harder to get.
#89
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Pay hours aren't the same as flight hours. If you are senior and get awarded an 80 hour line, working a day off automatically adds 4 hours on top of your guarantee. Any hours flown on a day off are at 1.5x and added on top of guarantee. Any flight hours flown above your guarantee on a day on are added on top of the guarantee.
Being awarded a high hour line and working a few off days a month is all it takes to bring home big numbers. Nearly everyone in the past year has broken guarantee each month. This year will be interesting, I have a feeling that OT will be harder to get.
Being awarded a high hour line and working a few off days a month is all it takes to bring home big numbers. Nearly everyone in the past year has broken guarantee each month. This year will be interesting, I have a feeling that OT will be harder to get.
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