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12-27-2018, 05:07 AM

#11

maxjet

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Originally Posted by woog315

I think he was attempting to make a dig at ABX pilots, but yeah... Now you see what we're up against

Why is that a dig to just ABX. Is it not true with most carriers? If you come to K4 today, you will more than likely not upgrade in 24 months.

12-27-2018, 06:56 AM

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727CA

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

You don't think they are telling everyone that? Let the whipsaw begin...

Why would you think Amazon would want to give these planes to ABX? It was demonstrated that ABX pilots have no problem with disrupting service and causing the most harm to our customer.

12-27-2018, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 727CA

Why would you think Amazon would want to give these planes to ABX? It was demonstrated that ABX pilots have no problem with disrupting service and causing the most harm to our customer.

Touch a nerve did I...
Just repeating what I have heard...
Also they pattern themselves after DHL which moves aircraft from one airline to the other monthly...
Convince yourself ATI is the chosen ones...the next lowball contract you will see aircraft moved like chess pieces....OMNI will get the next ones

12-27-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RyeMex

Did you really just admit that ATI’s captain pay is “competitive” with being a first officer elsewhere?

My point was that in addition to pay, progression is valuable, and so despite how "crappy" the ATI contract is, if you are starting out, it's not a terrible spot to be in after three years. You also pick up more PIC time if you can get an early upgrade - if UPS or Fedex is a goal (it should be) that's another benefit.

Some rough #'s at 3 years assuming folks make it to CA with ATI (an if).

ATI (CA) - $190/hr

Omni - $140/hr
Kalitta (CA) - $211/hr (another place with good upgrades - nice!)
UPS - $180/hr
Fedex - $180/hr

ABX - $110/hr
Southern - $90/hr !

12-27-2018, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dynap09

You should have your numbers straight Omni 3 year CA is 203. In April it goes to 211, and it goes up every april for the next 2 years after that I have no idea where you came up with 140 an hour!

12-27-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dynap09

And my point is that it’s stupid to make plans based on when you hope that you’ll be upgrading. The music could absolutely stop for all of us tomorrow. The only thing that, as a new hire, you should expect to make in 3 years is 3 year FO pay.

12-27-2018, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dynap09

Not sure if you’re looking at CA or FO rates or a mix of both, but some numbers are incorrect.

12-28-2018, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by t207

You should have your numbers straight Omni 3 year CA is 203. In April it goes to 211, and it goes up every april for the next 2 years after that I have no idea where you came up with 140 an hour!

Thanks, was gonna say that too...isn’t Omni upgrading at 2 years just like K4?

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12-28-2018, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by midnightshuttle

During Recent line check the CA claimed were hiring 1-2 classes a month through 2019.

Just FYI to newbs looking to bypass the regionals and fly 767’s

How many are going to be in these classes? You know we are wanting to do 1 class a month with 40 guys in each class. Think about it.

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12-28-2018, 03:27 AM

#20

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Originally Posted by dynap09

If hired today a 3rd year 767 FedEx FO would be paid $191 an hour and a 3rd year 757 Captain (upgrades at 2 currently) would be $261 an hour. That’s the final year of the current contract as well, so hopefully those numbers go way up.