ATI hiring through 2019
03-11-2019, 11:42 PM
#241
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Looking for some feedback please. I have a job offer from both Atlas & ATI. After reviewing the pros and cons of both companies, I'm currently torn between which direction to go in. Any advice? Also, why is there so much hatred directed towards ATI?
03-12-2019, 12:03 AM
#242
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Originally Posted by nolav53
Looking for some feedback please. I have a job offer from both Atlas & ATI. After reviewing the pros and cons of both companies, I'm currently torn between which direction to go in. Any advice? Also, why is there so much hatred directed towards ATI?
03-12-2019, 06:20 AM
#243
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Originally Posted by Riverside
I suggest you brush up on the ABX strike. Then you'll see why.
In a much broader sense that effects every pilot in the ACMI business, it is their propensity to agree to substandard contracts in order to garner business away from all other carriers in this segment. In their last contract they agreed to pay rates 5% below the 2 most recent contracts signed at Kalitta and Omni. They were handed a layup by the Omni pilots who had just come to terms on a long hard contract fight that matched Kalitta, all the ATI union leadership had to do was say me too on those rates and a level playing field for labor would be formed that helped all pilots including ATI pilots. Instead at the urging of ATI management and with the promise of getting more flying from other companies the ATI pilots agreed to the 5% less contract. This contract now becomes a drag to every other carrier in the DHL/Amazon network.
This is why they are not well thought of in this segment.
03-12-2019, 06:26 AM
#245
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Originally Posted by nolav53
Looking for some feedback please. I have a job offer from both Atlas & ATI. After reviewing the pros and cons of both companies, I'm currently torn between which direction to go in. Any advice? Also, why is there so much hatred directed towards ATI?
03-12-2019, 06:39 AM
#246
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Originally Posted by freighthound
I think it is naive to think it is only the ABX strike.
In a much broader sense that effects every pilot in the ACMI business, it is their propensity to agree to substandard contracts in order to garner business away from all other carriers in this segment. In their last contract they agreed to pay rates 5% below the 2 most recent contracts signed at Kalitta and Omni. They were handed a layup by the Omni pilots who had just come to terms on a long hard contract fight that matched Kalitta, all the ATI union leadership had to do was say me too on those rates and a level playing field for labor would be formed that helped all pilots including ATI pilots. Instead at the urging of ATI management and with the promise of getting more flying from other companies the ATI pilots agreed to the 5% less contract. This contract now becomes a drag to every other carrier in the DHL/Amazon network.
This is why they are not well thought of in this segment.
In a much broader sense that effects every pilot in the ACMI business, it is their propensity to agree to substandard contracts in order to garner business away from all other carriers in this segment. In their last contract they agreed to pay rates 5% below the 2 most recent contracts signed at Kalitta and Omni. They were handed a layup by the Omni pilots who had just come to terms on a long hard contract fight that matched Kalitta, all the ATI union leadership had to do was say me too on those rates and a level playing field for labor would be formed that helped all pilots including ATI pilots. Instead at the urging of ATI management and with the promise of getting more flying from other companies the ATI pilots agreed to the 5% less contract. This contract now becomes a drag to every other carrier in the DHL/Amazon network.
This is why they are not well thought of in this segment.
This. Right. Here.
They would (and did) sell their soul at the promise of some shiny new planes.
03-12-2019, 10:15 AM
#247
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Jet
This. Right. Here.
They would (and did) sell their soul at the promise of some shiny new planes.
They would (and did) sell their soul at the promise of some shiny new planes.
03-12-2019, 12:20 PM
#248
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Originally Posted by freighthound
I think it is naive to think it is only the ABX strike.
In a much broader sense that effects every pilot in the ACMI business, it is their propensity to agree to substandard contracts in order to garner business away from all other carriers in this segment. In their last contract they agreed to pay rates 5% below the 2 most recent contracts signed at Kalitta and Omni. They were handed a layup by the Omni pilots who had just come to terms on a long hard contract fight that matched Kalitta, all the ATI union leadership had to do was say me too on those rates and a level playing field for labor would be formed that helped all pilots including ATI pilots. Instead at the urging of ATI management and with the promise of getting more flying from other companies the ATI pilots agreed to the 5% less contract. This contract now becomes a drag to every other carrier in the DHL/Amazon network.
This is why they are not well thought of in this segment.
In a much broader sense that effects every pilot in the ACMI business, it is their propensity to agree to substandard contracts in order to garner business away from all other carriers in this segment. In their last contract they agreed to pay rates 5% below the 2 most recent contracts signed at Kalitta and Omni. They were handed a layup by the Omni pilots who had just come to terms on a long hard contract fight that matched Kalitta, all the ATI union leadership had to do was say me too on those rates and a level playing field for labor would be formed that helped all pilots including ATI pilots. Instead at the urging of ATI management and with the promise of getting more flying from other companies the ATI pilots agreed to the 5% less contract. This contract now becomes a drag to every other carrier in the DHL/Amazon network.
This is why they are not well thought of in this segment.
BOOM, PSA Voted yes to concessions in exchange for some of Eagles planes and a flow. Their whole MEC was at American within a year... leaving behind a 10 year concessionary contract.
All it takes is one.
Personally I think Teamsters & ALPA should file joint action lawsuit against federal government that the RLA doesn’t apply to ACMI or Regionals.
When RLA was written you couldn’t go to a PanAm pilot and demand concessions under threat of giving their flying to TWA. The RLA wasn’t written with the contractor business model in mind, and as a result the built in status quo protections for fair negotiations aren’t there.
03-12-2019, 12:34 PM
#249
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Originally Posted by ACMItrash
Seriously don't take either one! You will be better off where you're currently employed! Just read these boards, ask around educate yourself. Look at pilotcontracts.com. see for yourself, ACMI is not the place to be valued as a pilot.
I actually feel pretty valued and looked after at my company.
03-12-2019, 02:40 PM
#250
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Same thing happened at the regionals in 2012-215. …..PSA Voted yes to concessions in exchange for some of Eagles planes and a flow. Their whole MEC was at American within a year... leaving behind a 10 year concessionary contract.
All it takes is one.
With respect Cujo, regarding ATI's 2018 contract I have to disagree on this point. The contract we voted on was neither concessionary or long duration. While I haven't done the math for all longevity levels, but for me personally, it was a 42.5% increase in just straight pay. As for this contracts duration, its a three year term and we go into Section six at year 2 (twelve months from now actually).
Personally I think Teamsters & ALPA should file joint action lawsuit against federal government that the RLA doesn’t apply to ACMI or Regionals.
On this point, I whole heartedly agree. The RLA is obsolete and should be reexamined to reflect todays realities.
All it takes is one.
With respect Cujo, regarding ATI's 2018 contract I have to disagree on this point. The contract we voted on was neither concessionary or long duration. While I haven't done the math for all longevity levels, but for me personally, it was a 42.5% increase in just straight pay. As for this contracts duration, its a three year term and we go into Section six at year 2 (twelve months from now actually).
Personally I think Teamsters & ALPA should file joint action lawsuit against federal government that the RLA doesn’t apply to ACMI or Regionals.
On this point, I whole heartedly agree. The RLA is obsolete and should be reexamined to reflect todays realities.
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