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Old 01-07-2019, 04:09 AM   #11  
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Source ? Industry Standard CBA doesn't offer gateway at all- do you really believe Atlas is going to offer an Industry leading CBA ?
ACMI contracts include home basing. That is the industry standard.
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Why can discuss the Symantecs all day long. The fact is, Mgmt wants to rid themselves of Gateway travel.

The union will consider it, for the right price.
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Sometimes it's like Day -1. Especially for ANC in the winter. You could burn 4 days off (2) on either side
I know because I've been there. Also... You might have multiple trips in a month. You can end up working 21-23 days a month for straight pay in ANC. If you want to work extra be prepared for it to hurt your family life.
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ACMI contracts include home basing. That is the industry standard.
Some do.

Now we are comparing ourselves to K4, ATI, Omni vs our current negotiators say we can only be compared to UPS/FedEx who doesn't have it at all.

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Why can discuss the Symantecs all day long. The fact is, Mgmt wants to rid themselves of Gateway travel.

The union will consider it, for the right price.
True.

If we get caught again doing another work action, we might have to give something up to pay the court ordered fines like the other carriers before us. Luckily, we didn't get hit with that the last time. Just thought I would mention that since a number of guys are saying "wild cat strike".

Atlas has been trying to get rid of Gateway since the first ask (six months later) by us under ALPA to fix some CBA parts. The response by the company in every case on interpretations and understandings of the CBA was "we could do that if you agree to drop Gateway". Conversation usually ended right then unless we had some other leverage handy.

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I know because I've been there. Also... You might have multiple trips in a month. You can end up working 21-23 days a month for straight pay in ANC. If you want to work extra be prepared for it to hurt your family life.
Most commuting guys tend to do full block lines because of this. I like shorter periods, but full block saves travel days.

You don't have to use gateway and jumpseat right into work. Could save some time. I remember the Polar MEC didn't care about gateway during that past merger since they had to jumpseat. I don't think they would say that now though.

I haven't seen a UPS or FedEx line in some time although I see plenty of UPS/FedEx jumpseaters on us.. I imagine they have to keep a crash pad or hotel and lose days jumpseating in and out for those also. What do they have for days off now?
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Source ? Industry Standard CBA doesn't offer gateway at all- do you really believe Atlas is going to offer an Industry leading CBA ?
In order for Atlas to take away anything, they would first have to agree to negotiate. Since they won't be agreeing to negotiate anytime within the foreseeable future, gateway will remain safe.

That said, gateway travel is about the only relatively "ok" thing in our contract ... and gateway isn't nearly as good as the home basing provisions in some other ACMI airline contracts.

The good news is that OMNI is hiring ...
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Some do.

Now we are comparing ourselves to K4, ATI, Omni vs our current negotiators say we can only be compared to UPS/FedEx who doesn't have it at all.



True.

If we get caught again doing another work action, we might have to give something up to pay the court ordered fines like the other carriers before us. Luckily, we didn't get hit with that the last time. Just thought I would mention that since a number of guys are saying "wild cat strike".

Atlas has been trying to get rid of Gateway since the first ask (six months later) by us under ALPA to fix some CBA parts. The response by the company in every case on interpretations and understandings of the CBA was "we could do that if you agree to drop Gateway". Conversation usually ended right then unless we had some other leverage handy.



Most commuting guys tend to do full block lines because of this. I like shorter periods, but full block saves travel days.

You don't have to use gateway and jumpseat right into work. Could save some time. I remember the Polar MEC didn't care about gateway during that past merger since they had to jumpseat. I don't think they would say that now though.

I haven't seen a UPS or FedEx line in some time although I see plenty of UPS/FedEx jumpseaters on us.. I imagine they have to keep a crash pad or hotel and lose days jumpseating in and out for those also. What do they have for days off now?
Most guys at FedEx jumpseat in the night of their reserve starting or jumpseat in for their line starting. I can drive so it's easier. Yes you need a crashpad, but Memphis is readily available and will be assigned to you. My crashpad is $250 a month. For me I pay less getting to and from work plus crashpad than imputed income would've been getting to ANC.

Gateway is a nice benefit for the first few years, but things are different... The way Atlas schedules moving to an Atlas base will keep you home an extra day or two a month but that's it. The Reserves are immediately used and they don't send you back to base at all in most cases. You usually have to get to your base for the first trip and that can be tricky for several of the junior bases like ANC, CVG, and HSV.

At FedEx the trips on most of the airplanes come and go from MEM OR they're Double Commercial Deadheads. The reserves are barely used. So if you move to MEM you hardly work... There's a much larger incentive to live in base. If you commute you're best on the 777 which is being given to new hires. They have 12 day trips where the worst ones have you jumpseat in to operate out and operate back in to jumpseat out. There are contractual protections for this. After a year or two you can make $220k as an FO and never commute. You just bid a double dead head every month and business class to work to Europe and then business class home back from Asia. No crashpad required...

So after a few years you either move to MEM and bid 757 Captain where you make $250-$300K a year or you bid 777 FO and bid double commercial deadheads to avoid the commutes and crash pads. For the first two years Gateway is an amazing benefit though and I greatly appreciated it while I was based in ANC at Atlas.

Overall, I'd rather have FedEx's system hands down BUT that'd require a complete paradigm shift to Atlas as a whole. I effectively traded Gateway for FedEx's contract...
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No way Atlas gives up the control that comes with their Gateway program. They have you by the nuts with it. Nut control is invaluable to a disrespectful management group such as this.
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Just as heads up since I have received a couple of dozen emails already on this.

The Atlas union forums have been removed. I don't know if it was coincidental to me mentioning here I had a 1300 read count to my last post there. It happened less than two days ago during an exchange with J----Knoxville and he was showing up to the local for "contract language" stuff at the same time.

Supposedly, I'm supposed to contact the President to find out what "new" social media policy that will be implemented. Since the staff members generally don't work on the weekend, I guess my read count made an impression on someone once reported on by above. My first guess is they will drop it all and leave it to non-union sanctioned things like the Atlas GC_COMMS facebook so the local probably won't be accountable that way. If this is done, anyone that has a question or questions certain actions will not be invited in for access as it's done now on the Atlas facebook page.

I admit that there are few to no responses to my updates over there on the union forums but that is due to the current environment set by leadership. I fully understand why no one wants to lift their head above the foxhole to take any fire.
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Just as heads up since I have received a couple of dozen emails already on this.

The Atlas union forums have been removed. I don't know if it was coincidental to me mentioning here I had a 1300 read count to my last post there. It happened less than two days ago during an exchange with J----Knoxville and he was showing up to the local for "contract language" stuff at the same time.

Supposedly, I'm supposed to contact the President to find out what "new" social media policy that will be implemented. Since the staff members generally don't work on the weekend, I guess my read count made an impression on someone once reported on by above. My first guess is they will drop it all and leave it to non-union sanctioned things like the Atlas GC_COMMS facebook so the local probably won't be accountable that way. If this is done, anyone that has a question or questions certain actions will not be invited in for access as it's done now on the Atlas facebook page.

I admit that there are few to no responses to my updates over there on the union forums but that is due to the current environment set by leadership. I fully understand why no one wants to lift their head above the foxhole to take any fire.
Man, you really spew baseless nonsense. I had no plans to "show up to the local for contract language stuff". I haven't been to Wilmington in over a year. I have zero interest in the 1224 forum as you and your 1% pilot club are the only ones that go there anyway. Post away to your heart's content. In the past I had people tell me you would trash talk the union leadership there and I would check it out. It was funny watching you and your two friends go round and round repeating the same things over and over. It was an echo chamber of entertainment for the rest of us to watch.

I have no idea why the 1224 forums are off and on historically or now as those decisions are not made by me. However, despite the fact that you may think the world revolves around you, there are nine other 1224 airlines other than Atlas and decisions made with the 1224 forums just might have something to do with someone or something other than you and your universe.

For the record, this is yet again another baseless lie by scrupulous/suddenimpact.

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Does APC just allow people to repetitively spew baseless lies? I guess I should read the Terms of Use. If there are no repercussions for making up anything someone wants to (which clearly there must not be), it may just be time for me to start my own version of "facts" about suddenimpact/scrupulous.

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Old 01-07-2019, 03:27 PM   #20  
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Just as heads up since I have received a couple of dozen emails already on this.

The Atlas union forums have been removed. I don't know if it was coincidental to me mentioning here I had a 1300 read count to my last post there. It happened less than two days ago during an exchange with J----Knoxville and he was showing up to the local for "contract language" stuff at the same time.

Supposedly, I'm supposed to contact the President to find out what "new" social media policy that will be implemented. Since the staff members generally don't work on the weekend, I guess my read count made an impression on someone once reported on by above. My first guess is they will drop it all and leave it to non-union sanctioned things like the Atlas GC_COMMS facebook so the local probably won't be accountable that way. If this is done, anyone that has a question or questions certain actions will not be invited in for access as it's done now on the Atlas facebook page.

I admit that there are few to no responses to my updates over there on the union forums but that is due to the current environment set by leadership. I fully understand why no one wants to lift their head above the foxhole to take any fire.
Damn.... You hit refresh on that 1280 times?
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