Atlas Air - Spend your career as an F.O.
01-23-2019, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Weren’t you guys told by a judge to knock it off? Union send an email too.
Or was that just SHOP and BOOT and bullying new hires not to pick up OT?
Or was that just SHOP and BOOT and bullying new hires not to pick up OT?
01-23-2019, 08:29 AM
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Every class that is not filled, every ACMI contract that is not signed puts pressure on management -- but they are also upgrades lost. That should have been obvious to everyone at the start of this campaign.
01-23-2019, 09:21 AM
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Really??
Nothing better to do than troll other threads and try to smear IBT.
As airline workers, we are survivors from the same airline industry shipwreck. Some lifeboats are floating higher than others right now but all you ever seem to want to do is to throw water into any lifeboat that has IBT members.
Classy. Not to mention a great use of your spare time.
FYI: All of us at Atlas are waiting for a great IBT contract
Hopefully it'll be a step up from Kalitta and OMNI's new IBT contracts - both of which are much better than out current contract here at Atlas. And although they lead the ACMI world in work rules and pay they are both a long way away from where we all should be.
Nothing better to do than troll other threads and try to smear IBT.
As airline workers, we are survivors from the same airline industry shipwreck. Some lifeboats are floating higher than others right now but all you ever seem to want to do is to throw water into any lifeboat that has IBT members.
Classy. Not to mention a great use of your spare time.
Originally Posted by deus ex machina
Still waiting on that great IBT contract ... 
Hopefully it'll be a step up from Kalitta and OMNI's new IBT contracts - both of which are much better than out current contract here at Atlas. And although they lead the ACMI world in work rules and pay they are both a long way away from where we all should be.
01-23-2019, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 742Dash
Every class that is not filled, every ACMI contract that is not signed puts pressure on management -- but they are also upgrades lost. That should have been obvious to everyone at the start of this campaign.
01-23-2019, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Weren’t you guys told by a judge to knock it off? Union send an email too.
Or was that just SHOP and BOOT and bullying new hires not to pick up OT?
Or was that just SHOP and BOOT and bullying new hires not to pick up OT?
The appeal should be forthcoming in the near future and throw the case out as it should have been with the first judge.
01-23-2019, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
The Atlas Air profile page as been updated showcasing the quick upgrades that have been awarded in the past. Like a good used car salesman, the pilot recruiters are saying anything they can to get people in the door.
747 CA 02/2015
767 CA 02/2016
777 CA 05/2015
737 CA 04/2016
But just like in the investment world, past performance is no guarantee of future results. In the case of upgrade opportunities at Atlas Air, I would say just the opposite is true.
1,000 pilots have been hired in the past four years.
That is right, we have just gone through a growth spurt. With a fleet of 113 aircraft at the holding company, they would roughly have to get 113 more aircraft to upgrade the new hire today (assuming no attrition). Now, it is no secret that the flood gates are open as pilots are fleeing like rats off a sinking ship. With no growth and mass attrition of 200+ a year, you stand a chance on upgrading at some point. But keep in mind, the senior Captains are not the ones leaving for other airlines like the junior pilots (mainly First Officers).
Place your bets on upgrade times going forward for a new hire starting today.
My bet 10 years.
747 CA 02/2015
767 CA 02/2016
777 CA 05/2015
737 CA 04/2016
But just like in the investment world, past performance is no guarantee of future results. In the case of upgrade opportunities at Atlas Air, I would say just the opposite is true.
1,000 pilots have been hired in the past four years.
That is right, we have just gone through a growth spurt. With a fleet of 113 aircraft at the holding company, they would roughly have to get 113 more aircraft to upgrade the new hire today (assuming no attrition). Now, it is no secret that the flood gates are open as pilots are fleeing like rats off a sinking ship. With no growth and mass attrition of 200+ a year, you stand a chance on upgrading at some point. But keep in mind, the senior Captains are not the ones leaving for other airlines like the junior pilots (mainly First Officers).
Place your bets on upgrade times going forward for a new hire starting today.
My bet 10 years.
I would add that without exception all the FO’s I’m flying with are sub $50K their first year due to protracted training and delayed OE.
They seem to be stuck on training pay for the maximum allowed time.
OE is taking longer on nearly all students further delaying their release to 50hr guarantee and unpaid R-1 at home waiting for a trip in the next bid cycle.
This effectively puts them from start to bidding a first pattern between 5-6 months.
Many are shocked that we do not have a block or better component and realize late in the game that they are working on a prorated salary scheme losing 1/2 the first and last day of Pay on any line flying they do manage to fly.
Many aren’t bashful admitting that resumes are out and they are keeping everything fresh for their career move after Atlas.
01-23-2019, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by itsjustajob
Many are shocked that we do not have a block or better component and realize late in the game that they are working on a prorated salary scheme losing 1/2 the first and last day of Pay on any line flying they do manage to fly.
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