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Old 02-04-2019, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dorgham72 View Post
is there commitment or you can work there for a year get the type and leave ??
You absolutely can do that. However, I have heard of a high failure rate very recently. Just be careful, a failed 121 check ride due to MGMT’s poor training could ruin your career.

Is it really worth it ??

All the airlines are pulling RJ FO’s. It’s not like a 737 type does much these days.
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Old 02-04-2019, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CallmeJB View Post
Everyone loves to crow about how our newhire classes aren't full. Nobody ever talks about all the cancelled flights from lack of crews.

Why do you suppose that is?
It is easy to find out how many were/were sched to be in class.

It is not easy to find out how many charter flights/long term contracts were rejected by the company for lack of pilots.

And, we cannot readily get any info about flights that were cancelled, had extended delays, or were outsourced...

I understand there is the schedule, but I don't spend my waking hours watching our sched unfold, so I have no idea what the delay/extended delay situation is.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CallmeJB View Post
I don't know of ANY scheduled flights that were cancelled due to lack of crews with no other contributing cause. We just haven't gotten there yet (unfortunately).

Now... flights/customers that were never scheduled, perhaps because of lack of crews? If only any of us had access to data like that; it might be helpful to our cause (but be careful... because it might not).
We have had many, many flights that were outsourced...to Kalitta, Western Global, etc., etc. due to lack of crews.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dorgham72 View Post
is there commitment or you can work there for a year get the type and leave ??
No commitment: Some pilots have left in INDOC, others left during systems, others during sims, others during OE, and still others have left after OE...some right after. And, we have had a good number leave right after (or during) Capt upgrade...

Feel free to PM me if u have questions. I am at Atlas, and so don't know as much about Southern, but we will all be in the same boat sooner or later...
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:23 PM
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How do they decide which class you get? If they put you in the 737 class, and you wanted the 777 could you wait until there is a class date for the 777?
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Old 02-18-2019, 05:27 PM
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How do they decide which class you get? If they put you in the 737 class, and you wanted the 777 could you wait until there is a class date for the 777?
New hire pilots are holding out for what they want because there is a three-year seat lock. That is, if you don't get what you want, you will be stuck for a minimum of three years in your unwanted position.
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Old 02-19-2019, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ypSUHlanti View Post
How do they decide which class you get? If they put you in the 737 class, and you wanted the 777 could you wait until there is a class date for the 777?
In order of pay:
Atlas 747
Southern 777
Atlas 767
Southern 737.

You may want to hold out for the Atlas 747, if possible...
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:43 AM
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I still can't believe there are people seriously considering working at Atlas/Southern. Nearly everyone is miserable there and is trying to get out as fast as they can. If you're leaving a regional to go there you're going to regret that decision very quickly after arriving.

There are so many better options out there. The Atlas/Southern pilots don't even get to vote on their own contract. An arbitrator decides every time. That's why they're now the lowest paid pilots in the industry and will likely not have a new contract for years to come and when they do they will get whatever the biased arbitrator decides to give them.
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Old 02-19-2019, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
In order of pay:
Atlas 747
Southern 777
Atlas 767
Southern 737.

You may want to hold out for the Atlas 747, if possible...
A successful Southern interviewee can wait for Atlas classes (74 or 76)?
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Originally Posted by dba74 View Post
A successful Southern interviewee can wait for Atlas classes (74 or 76)?
HR is targeting specific people for the 737. If you are selected for the 74, 77, or 76, I’d assume you could ask to wait for something else. That being said, the hiring process is such a crapshoot at this place I doubt there is an actual “pool” so to speak. HR probably just calls the rotating people on the top of the stack to desperately fill the next class on the schedule.
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