atpcliff

You can always ask for what you want, and see what happens.

From what we have heard and read, HR at Atlas/Southern is having a harder and harder time getting pilots.

They just started buying candidates airline tickets and paying for one night in the hotel for the interview.

Turbine1

Why? Because they think they can hoodwink the uninformed or unbelieving of the conditions into accepting a job at AAWW. A ticket and a room is a small price to pay to “put bodies in seats” for the 6 months before they realize what a mistake they made and can resign for a job at a real airline.

Applying to Atlas/Southern is committing career suicide and the word is out; hence fewer show for class with each passing month.

The largest operator of 747s in the world and now even some turboprop 135 operators have better compensation and QOL. Truly sad.

TiredSoul

Corrected for correctness.
No charge.

TeamSasquatch

I find this interesting! It is true that Ameriflight, Key Lime, Alpine, FRE, Emlire and such pay more. I can see how a Vagabond with zero holding them down could fit well into the 747 program. But, that model can’t sustain the operation?

Turbine1

It will sustain it long enough to get to the next downturn in the pilot hiring cycle. The company is banking that the amalgamation language in our scope will be affirmed by the arbitrator by then ( maybe ruled on as soon as this Fall ). If so, AAWW will never have to engage in good faith negotiations or have any future CBA pass a vote. Amazon and DHL will have their labor costs locked in at the lowest in the industry for decades to come.

hav3atps

1st. year pay on the page shows 61hrs x $80 x 12 = $58,560

Maybe somthing I'm missing..

thesandbox

about 3 months of training pay

hav3atps

What is the pay during training. Not finding it.. Thanks

dwight3

50 hours guarantee the first year, not 61. Training pay for the first 3-4 months is about 2k a month. You'd literally make more than double that amount during your first year at a regional airline and get way more flight time and get a captain upgrade and start building that TPIC time and have flow to a legacy carrier.

Southern is about the worst career decision a pilot could make at this time. Their contract is from 2011. All of the regionals and practically every other airline have contracts that are reflective of the pilot shortage today but not Atlas/Southern.

Globemaster2827

This has been done before... But...

Try 4 months of training pay since they're running a puppy mill and OE is backed up. So... $6,400 for the first 4 months.
You'll go to training for 2 months which you don't get paid for. So a 50 hour month for your Proficiency Check and we'll say 55 hours for the Proficiency Training. So for those 6 months we're at... $14,695.

Then you'll call in sick 1 month... 50 hours. Now we're at $18,645 for 7 months.

IF you don't call in sick a 2nd time, take vacation or have a relative die you'll average 70 hours a month for the other 5 months. That's $27,650 for those months. So that's $46,295 for the year with no working extra. It also doesn't count Per Diem.

That's what you'd make on Atlas on the 747. On the 737 at Southern I doubt they're ever breaking guarantee. So those 5 months at 70 hours would be significantly less... Probably 55 hours or so...

I'm sure people will chime in on my numbers.