Southern Air 737
02-22-2019, 06:36 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by dwight3
50 hours guarantee the first year, not 61. Training pay for the first 3-4 months is about 2k a month. You'd literally make more than double that amount during your first year at a regional airline and get way more flight time and get a captain upgrade and start building that TPIC time and have flow to a legacy carrier.
Southern is about the worst career decision a pilot could make at this time. Their contract is from 2011. All of the regionals and practically every other airline have contracts that are reflective of the pilot shortage today but not Atlas/Southern.
Southern is about the worst career decision a pilot could make at this time. Their contract is from 2011. All of the regionals and practically every other airline have contracts that are reflective of the pilot shortage today but not Atlas/Southern.
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...o/southern_air
I'm just getting the numbers from there.
02-22-2019, 06:45 PM
#62
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 611
First Year Pay
Month 1-4
$1,600 each month
Total: $6,400
Month 5-12
$3,980 each month ($79.60 X 50 Hour Guarantee)
Total: $31,840
Grand Total: $38,240 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
Second Year Pay
Month 1-12
$4,935.20 ($79.60 X 62 Hours)
Grand Total: $59,222.40 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
Month 1-4
$1,600 each month
Total: $6,400
Month 5-12
$3,980 each month ($79.60 X 50 Hour Guarantee)
Total: $31,840
Grand Total: $38,240 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
Second Year Pay
Month 1-12
$4,935.20 ($79.60 X 62 Hours)
Grand Total: $59,222.40 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
02-22-2019, 07:11 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Position: sitting
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by X58DeltaDriver
I have seen the 50 hours for the first year at Atlas. Does that apply at Southern as well? I havent seen that on their page here on APC.
I'm just getting the numbers from here:
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...o/southern_air
Not sure where the other numbers are coming from..
02-22-2019, 09:40 PM
#65
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 150
Southern now has most of the same pay and work rules as Atlas. 737 pay at Southern is far less than 747 pay at Atlas due to being paid based on gross weight % of a 747.
Having near 90% no show rates for 767 classes, and 60% no show rates for 747 classes. Training and Type Ride failures are increasing which are a negative brand on your entire career. Nearly 40% of new hires in 2019 have quit.
Upgrades are at a trickle over the past 2 years. Best guess is 7 years for a 747 FO to upgrade, probably longer for recent hires.
These are facts, not union drum beating.
Having near 90% no show rates for 767 classes, and 60% no show rates for 747 classes. Training and Type Ride failures are increasing which are a negative brand on your entire career. Nearly 40% of new hires in 2019 have quit.
Upgrades are at a trickle over the past 2 years. Best guess is 7 years for a 747 FO to upgrade, probably longer for recent hires.
These are facts, not union drum beating.
02-22-2019, 10:10 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
First Year Pay
Month 1-4
$1,600 each month
Total: $6,400
Month 5-12
$3,980 each month ($79.60 X 50 Hour Guarantee)
Total: $31,840
Grand Total: $38,240 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
Second Year Pay
Month 1-12
$4,935.20 ($79.60 X 62 Hours)
Grand Total: $59,222.40 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
Month 1-4
$1,600 each month
Total: $6,400
Month 5-12
$3,980 each month ($79.60 X 50 Hour Guarantee)
Total: $31,840
Grand Total: $38,240 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
Second Year Pay
Month 1-12
$4,935.20 ($79.60 X 62 Hours)
Grand Total: $59,222.40 Gross Pay (before taxes and deductions)
Then someone posts a link to APC that has nothing to do with your contract...
02-22-2019, 10:36 PM
#67
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 46
Originally Posted by hav3atps
Is this page not valid?
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...o/southern_air
I'm just getting the numbers from there.
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...o/southern_air
I'm just getting the numbers from there.
First year guarantee is now 50 hours since the LOA was signed and training pay dropped to $1600/month from $2000. The LOA signed last year actually caused a pay decrease for the first year at Southern in some areas like the two I just mentioned.
02-23-2019, 07:43 AM
#68
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Position: sitting
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by dwight3
That page has a mix of information from pre and post LOA so yes that page is not valid because it is inaccurate in many ways. The hourly pay rates are correct though.
First year guarantee is now 50 hours since the LOA was signed and training pay dropped to $1600/month from $2000. The LOA signed last year actually caused a pay decrease for the first year at Southern in some areas like the two I just mentioned.
First year guarantee is now 50 hours since the LOA was signed and training pay dropped to $1600/month from $2000. The LOA signed last year actually caused a pay decrease for the first year at Southern in some areas like the two I just mentioned.
Not good news.
Thank you..
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