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Freight Dog 04-21-2007 10:19 AM

UPS Trivia
 
  • Avg aircraft size is to increase 23% by 2017 (only 757s remaining as narrowbody fleet)
  • Avg aircraft age in 2007 is 17 years
  • 52 widebody aircraft deliveries 2007-2012 (current order book)
  • By 2017, UPS will have about 205 widebodies in its fleet, making it the second largest widebody airline in the world (FedEx will be #1)
  • DC8s will be retired between 2010 and 2013
  • 150,000 flights per year
  • 55m gallons per month of fuel used
  • 747-400 sim to be placed in Anchorage
  • 83 pilot retirements this year
  • Hired 89 pilots so far
  • 747-100s and -200s will be all removed from fleet by end of 2008
  • Training currently full through Sept on MD11; Jan on 757/767; Nov/Dec on A300
  • 767-300 holds up to 18,000 packages
  • 2008 deliveries: 4 747-400s and 6 MD11s

peterpilot379 04-21-2007 10:53 AM

Freight Dog,

What does it mean to say that training is full through the dates you listed?

Swedish Blender 04-21-2007 11:20 AM

Not that it matters much, but I was in SDF the other day and the van driver had some other info.

UPS is building a bridge over I-65 to a new parking lot for crewmembers next to the GOC. The driver said the old parking lots will be used as the training center expands for the 747-400 and 2nd MD-11 sims. Apparently they have already seen mockups, diagrams, etc. of the new layout.
FWIW

Airplane Junkie 04-21-2007 11:21 AM

Is UPS getting 6 747-400's this year or are deliveries going into 2008?

1800 RVR 04-21-2007 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 153392)
UPS is building a bridge over I-65 to a new parking lot for crewmembers next to the GOC. The driver said the old parking lots will be used as the training center expands for the 747-400 and 2nd MD-11 sims. Apparently they have already seen mockups, diagrams, etc. of the new layout.
FWIW


The "parking lot" part is true. Supposedly, by this year's peak, we crewmembers wii be parking at the new lot. This has been said in the "Dispatch." Will it happen by then, we'll see. As for the sims, I haven't heard any specifics as to which sims will be added, but the sim building will be expanding, per the "Dispatch" again.


Is UPS getting 6 747-400's this year or are deliveries going into 2008?
The current schedule calls for 4 airplanes this year, then the last 6 next year.

SaltyDog 04-21-2007 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Freight Dog (Post 153372)
  • DC8s will be retired between 2010 and 2013


I always laugh when they give the DC-8 retirement dates. Every year it goes out later. At the present 43 airframes that would be 11+ airframes a year. I'd bet even money till 2016-2020+. 43 airframes at 18 cans topside and 4 equivalent below is alot of lift.
We were told the same dates the other day at a BPM. The managers all laugh too.
The DC-8 is going AQP for recurrent next year, but not initial training.
Would guess, among other reasons, the FAA doesn't believe the story that the 8 is going away by 2010-2013. Size of DC-8 crew list is growing on all seats. UPS still is going to be short on lift, one reason 8 is going to be around longer. Now if they announce another big 76 buy like the last one, it would be a firm date.

TOPDOG 04-21-2007 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Freight Dog (Post 153372)
  • Avg aircraft size is to increase 23% by 2017 (only 757s remaining as narrowbody fleet)
  • Avg aircraft age in 2007 is 17 years
  • 52 widebody aircraft deliveries 2007-2012 (current order book)
  • By 2017, UPS will have about 205 widebodies in its fleet, making it the second largest widebody airline in the world (FedEx will be #1)
  • DC8s will be retired between 2010 and 2013
  • 747-400 sim to be placed in Anchorage
  • 83 pilot retirements this year
  • Hired 89 pilots so far
  • 747-100s and -200s will be all removed from fleet by end of 2008
  • Training current full through Sept on MD11; Jan on 757/767; Nov/Dec on A300
  • 2008 deliveries: 4 747-400s and 6 MD11s

The DC8s will start leaving in 2017. Info from DC8 manager 4 months ago.

N570UP 04-21-2007 04:15 PM

DC-8 on 40th yr of service=experimental category

brownwhalerider 04-21-2007 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by N570UP (Post 153483)
DC-8 on 40th yr of service=experimental category

I thought there was no cycle limit on the 8?

brownwhalerider 04-21-2007 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by peterpilot379 (Post 153383)
Freight Dog,

What does it mean to say that training is full through the dates you listed?

I think this means for upgrade/transition. The additional new hires have already been factored into the training schedule. Right now there is a huge bubble in the training department due to last summers hiring numbers (or lack there of) and the 727 phase out, compounded by the additional airframes coming in the next 18 months.


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