Originally Posted by scrupulous

Doesn't really bother me so much other than some of the bravado and BS directed by our leadership and carried out by our social media volunteers. I've learned with this ExCo, truth is subjective and used in small select doses. If at all. This has been done to the point it's starting to backfire giving us a credibility problem equal to the company's.

Of course, the company does also. It's just expected from them as proven over time. Just seems new to you.

No, I'm not in favor of the company winning. Just getting burned out like so many others that the "sky is falling" tactics.



The company is setting a stage for a later merger arbiter or for the NMB mediator now by acting like they are trying while doing little. They are waiting to see if we end up in arbitration or Section 6 negotiations. Which sets the stage to what they are willing to do depending on the decision.

We are also delaying as much as possible to leverage the shortage of pilots and hiring in hopes of the company comes begging. History has proven they will loose a lot of work before leaving money on the table for labor and thus their lack of movement.

No, the kool-aid from the union and the company both taste bitter and not sweet. I'm choosing to not drink either one and watch both on what they actually do versus what they say.

Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER

The union is definitely NOT delaying negotiations. That is just an absurd thing to say. Those who think otherwise are so far out of touch with reality that "reality" must not be in their vocabulary.

Nobody wants a contract more than our Exco and their NC. Not only would they get the same raises that the rest of the pilots would get, but they would get a lot more time off and have far fewer headaches (not to mention all the praise and glory of a such huge victory )

Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER

Unfortunately, the seeds of discontent spread in so many places like here on APC create just enough doubt in our union that the company will have a potentially dangerous edge when they bypass the union NC by publishing their first offer directly to the pilot group.

It is going to happen. Management did it at both K4 and OMNI. We're next.

Then, at a time when unity will be of the utmost importance, the company will use the wedge that has been inserted by union bashers to split the pilot group and push for a vote unsupported by the union.

Yet, some people just have to throw rocks from the sidelines in order to hear their own voices rather than help potential new hires get informed about life at Atlas.

Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER

Unfortunately, the seeds of discontent spread in so many places like here on APC create just enough doubt in our union that the company will have a potentially dangerous edge when they bypass the union NC by publishing their first offer directly to the pilot group.

Originally Posted by DC8 Driver

Management can't bypass the NC and go directly to the pilot group with an offer. They have to deal with the NC. After the NC tells them to pound sand, the company can then go to the pilot group and tell everyone that the Union is keeping them from their money, which is most likely what will happen.

Originally Posted by DC8 Driver

Management can't bypass the NC and go directly to the pilot group with an offer. They have to deal with the NC. After the NC tells them to pound sand, the company can then go to the pilot group and tell everyone that the Union is keeping them from their money, which is most likely what will happen.