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Old 02-18-2019, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3 View Post
You need 1500(1200 restricted) for an ATP? Stack overflow, divide by zero...
The options for R-ATP minimum experience are: 750 hours of total pilot time for military pilots. 1,000 hours for graduates holding a bachelor's degree with an aviation major from an approved school. 1,250 hours for graduates holding an associate degree with an aviation major from an approved school.
1000 TT, ATP/RATP are the new minimums at Southern...
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:22 AM
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Don’t all legacies have low minimums on paper? Lol. But yeah, I get what you guys are saying. It seems nowadays it’s “hire anyone and let the training department sort them out”.
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1000 TT, ATP/RATP are the new minimums at Southern...
Just one of the many reasons why there is no new contract coming to Atlas/Southern. Any talk of fleet expansion or meaningful negotiations is simply a ruse started by the company and spread through the pilot ranks.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
1000 TT, ATP/RATP are the new minimums at Southern...
I know it might be splitting hairs but for people at the beginning of a piloting career 500 hours is a lot. I couldn't quite believe your statement so I went to the Southern site myself. The exact requirements as copied from their website are as follows:

Hold a current unrestricted ATP certificate with an airplane category multi-engine class rating and English proficiency endorsement
Hold a current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
Hold an FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit
Hold a valid passport with no restrictions on international travel
Legally authorized to work in the United States
Have a minimum of 1500 hours of total time
Military conversion of .3 per sortie
Have a minimum of 500 hours of turbine time
Have a minimum of 1000 fixed wing or 500 hours with a 121 carrier
Minimum age of 23 (all Southern pilot positions are subject to FAA 121 mandatory retirement regulations)
Do you have the ability to pass a 10 year security background check and a DOT pre-employment test.
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The world awaits when you join Atlas and Southern Air at the FAPA Pilot Job Fair, February 23, 2019.

If you’re a pilot with a minimum of 1000 hours of flight time, holding a restricted or unrestricted ATP certificate, you can take your career further at Atlas Air Worldwide. As one of the fastest growing transportation companies, opportunities to fly are right here.

If you’re ready to carry the world forward, the Atlas/Southern Talent Acquisition team is waiting to meet you.

FAPA Pilot Job Fair
Saturday, February 23, 2019
9AM – 12PM
Hilton Fort Lauderdale Marina
1881 SE 17th Street
Ft. Lauderdale, FL. 33316

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I know it might be splitting hairs but for people at the beginning of a piloting career 500 hours is a lot. I couldn't quite believe your statement so I went to the Southern site myself. The exact requirements as copied from their website are as follows:

Hold a current unrestricted ATP certificate with an airplane category multi-engine class rating and English proficiency endorsement
Hold a current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
Hold an FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit
Hold a valid passport with no restrictions on international travel
Legally authorized to work in the United States
Have a minimum of 1500 hours of total time
Military conversion of .3 per sortie
Have a minimum of 500 hours of turbine time
Have a minimum of 1000 fixed wing or 500 hours with a 121 carrier
Minimum age of 23 (all Southern pilot positions are subject to FAA 121 mandatory retirement regulations)
Do you have the ability to pass a 10 year security background check and a DOT pre-employment test.
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Old 02-18-2019, 05:14 PM
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Wow, just wow.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:43 PM
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With regionals offering bonuses and paths to mainline and all the other ACMI/LCC carriers offering much better pay and bennies Atlas/Southern has become the last choice for many. Come on over to a dead end job where you can gain valuable experience being away from your family and going without sleep while disrupting your circadian rhythm over and over. But at least you won’t have to worry about the lack of retirement, you won’t live long enough to see it!
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With regionals offering bonuses and paths to mainline and all the other ACMI/LCC carriers offering much better pay and bennies Atlas/Southern has become the last choice for many. Come on over to a dead end job where you can gain valuable experience being away from your family and going without sleep while disrupting your circadian rhythm over and over. But at least you won’t have to worry about the lack of retirement, you won’t live long enough to see it!

Indeed. If I were a young pilot in my 20’s with no attachments or constraints, it’d be a no brainer to go to a regional that’s offering the things you mention.

I’ll tell ya.... What I really can’t believe are the ones who left a regional right before they could have upgraded, to come to Atlas. What are you thinking?!
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:53 PM
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You need look no further than the targeted ads on this website, they used to tout career earnings. Now they might as well say “join Atlas and get selfies eating food in cool places!” They have pivoted to marketing the job as the aviation equivalent of a “year abroad” after college before settling down and getting a real job.
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You need look no further than the targeted ads on this website, they used to tout career earnings. Now they might as well say “join Atlas and get selfies eating food in cool places!” They have pivoted to marketing the job as the aviation equivalent of a “year abroad” after college before settling down and getting a real job.
I agree, although the targeted adds depend on what sites you visited over time. Nature of IT and analogs of providers.

I fully expect Atlas to wait out things since they went this direction. Usual corporate mentality. Waiting on the soon determined arbitration results as the motivator of where they/we go, so as to them not leaving any money on the table for us if possible.
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