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Old 02-15-2019, 09:09 PM
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Being a right coaster, your quote from the Internet is total bovine feces. Not a huge Cuomo fan. But that alt right propaganda is totally fiction. Not sure who decided to start the rumors, but check the factual synopsis of the respective bills and see the stupidity of that whole leaving a baby to die crap.


On the actual subject of this thread, the loss of our deductions should not be a surprise. This was part of the bill from day one. Trade for the doubling of the standard deduction. However, the sad part is that those of us in the genuine middle class took it up the butt. The folks at the bottom of the food chain got a great deal. But, if you make more than 100K, you got hosed. especially if you live in a high tax state (i'm a Jersey boy).


I am kind of an independent. Was intrigued by the possibility of an outsider as president. But he truly showed his stripes with the huge corporate tax relief at the expense of us. What an ass hat he is....
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:33 AM
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I have read the laws. Here's a link to the actual NY legislation so you can read it too. What politicians like the VA governor or DJT say are not always accurate.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/s2796

Now what does this have to do with pilot taxes again?

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Well you have to read the laws. Abortions in those states are now legal up until the actual full term birth day. The laws in VA and NY state that if the full term abortion fails to kill the child, and that child is subsequently born, no aid needs to be provided, and the child can go unaided until he or she dies. You can Google the VA govenor actually answering questions on this very subject. Chilling to listen to.
However, CNN and the others won't report it, so you will have to look it up on your own.
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:08 AM
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You're right had nothing to do with taxes.

As for the new law you linked, after reading it and referencing the sections of the old law that were abolished, I stand by my statements. It's not only what is in the new law like allowing late term, it's also what the law abolished. Previously, a baby that lived through a failed abortion was required to be saved by the docs (old law), because it was a living person. This law removed that requirement, therefore allowing the docs to simply make the baby "comfortable" while it slowly dies.

In any case, I'm loving the new tax law. Sleep well tonight.
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Old 02-16-2019, 11:25 AM
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I will thanks. You too, and if it helps you sleep better, less than 1% of all procedures take place after 24 weeks. Also it should be noted that the new law only allows it after 24 weeks if the fetus is un-viable or the life of the mother is in danger. Basically brings it in line with precedent set by federal law. The possibility that you raise is extremely unlikely but if it did happen its a good bet the baby wasnt going to make it anyway. It a tough issue and people are understandable emotional about it. I would not diminish that but details must not be left out of the debate.

I myself dont know if I'll love the new tax law as I havent done my taxes yet. I'll report back but after talking to many friends, I am less than optimistic.

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Originally Posted by urinmyseat View Post
You're right had nothing to do with taxes.

As for the new law you linked, after reading it and referencing the sections of the old law that were abolished, I stand by my statements. It's not only what is in the new law like allowing late term, it's also what the law abolished. Previously, a baby that lived through a failed abortion was required to be saved by the docs (old law), because it was a living person. This law removed that requirement, therefore allowing the docs to simply make the baby "comfortable" while it slowly dies.

In any case, I'm loving the new tax law. Sleep well tonight.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:17 PM
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Wow
1% doesn't sound like very many. I guess you're right.


If applied to the national yearly rate reported by the CDC of nearly 700,000 abortions, that's a paltry 7,000 late term nation wide. Of course if it were legal in all 50 states.

How's that for a bed time story?
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:29 PM
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Really not something I wish to discuss on this forum, but how often is an abortion actually performed to "save the life of the mother"? Best I can find is that scenario is mostly dramatized Hollywood bullcrap.
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Old 02-16-2019, 04:06 PM
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Really not something I wish to discuss on this forum, but how often is an abortion actually performed to "save the life of the mother"? Best I can find is that scenario is mostly dramatized Hollywood bullcrap.
In situations where you have a strong quasi-moral/political opinion but don't actually know the first thing about what you are talking about, it's best to take Mark Twain's advice - Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ocskyguy View Post
On the actual subject of this thread, the loss of our deductions should not be a surprise. This was part of the bill from day one. Trade for the doubling of the standard deduction. However, the sad part is that those of us in the genuine middle class took it up the butt. The folks at the bottom of the food chain got a great deal. But, if you make more than 100K, you got hosed. especially if you live in a high tax state (i'm a Jersey boy).


I am kind of an independent. Was intrigued by the possibility of an outsider as president. But he truly showed his stripes with the huge corporate tax relief at the expense of us. What an ass hat he is....

If limiting SALT is what you are referring to when you say, “if you live in a high tax state...” Why should the rest of the federal tax payer help subsidize the high taxes of a few states? There should be ZERO SALT deductions on federal tax returns.

Also, any taxes on corporations (any business) is a regressive tax. If you want a progressive tax, you should be for abolishing all taxes on businesses (and other things like social security and Medicare).
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:17 AM
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Interesting read. According to the NY senate legislation, " Abortion is one of the safest medical procedures performed in the United States". I'm pro-choice, but even I can detect BS when I see it. Obviously there are potential risks when you're rooting around in a woman's uterus. It's not like removing a mole.

What this has to do with pilot taxes? Well, you can no longer write off you or your spouse's abortion unless the medical expenses exceed 10% of income.

I haven't done my taxes yet. I'm high income and will definitely save some money, however, it is easy to recognize that pilots who live in high tax states who also write off business expenses are going to lose. One can lecture others about moving to lower tax states, however, just because a state is low (or zero) tax now, doesn't mean it will stay that way forever.
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