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CaptainDooley 02-13-2019 10:35 AM

Q for pilots that fly as Heavy Crew
 
For those of you that fly as a heavy crew

1- if you go with 3 CAs and 1 FO, do all the CAs have to be right seat qualified?

2- Does the PIC listed for the flight have to be in the left seat for every takeoff and landing?

tiredofjrm 02-13-2019 10:49 AM

If a 4 man crew is required then the CA flying FO needs to be right seat qual.
Whomever signs for the flight needs to be in the left seat for takeoff and landing

BoilerUP 02-13-2019 11:14 AM

Do any airlines operate double-crewed with three Captains?

How many operate double-crewed with two Captains?

Riverside 02-13-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2763448)
Do any airlines operate double-crewed with three Captains?

How many operate double-crewed with two Captains?

2 captains and 2 FO would be the norm. Otherwise 1 captain and 3 FO.

JohnBurke 02-13-2019 11:35 AM

Most don't have a surplus of captains enough to. put three on one flight. An exception might be line checks and OE.

HercDriver130 02-13-2019 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2763448)
Do any airlines operate double-crewed with three Captains?

How many operate double-crewed with two Captains?

At K4, if you have three legs in a day or exceed 20hrs we have a LOA that requires 2CAs on those flight. The only time I have seen 3CAs was just a situation that NO FO was legal for the flight. FWIW...ALL CAs at K4 are right seat qualified.

DC8DRIVER 02-13-2019 12:17 PM

At Atlas the norm for a heavy crew is 1 CA and 3 FO's.

However, things are never "norm" at Atlas. Frequently it'll be multiple CA's on one flight because of scheduling SNAFU's and lack of crews. Whoever signs for a specific leg is in the left seat except for training. All Atlas CA's are right seat qualed.

Lockheed 02-13-2019 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tiredofjrm (Post 2763429)
Whomever signs for the flight needs to be in the left seat for takeoff and landing

That's no true - at least at K4 its not
done it and seen it done several times

but the PIC that's signs it is responsible

that said I don't do it anymore - just to be on safe side

Birdsmash 02-13-2019 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER (Post 2763489)
At Atlas the norm for a heavy crew is 1 CA and 3 FO's.

However, things are never "norm" at Atlas. Frequently it'll be multiple CA's on one flight because of scheduling SNAFU's and lack of crews. Whoever signs for a specific leg is in the left seat except for training. All Atlas CA's are right seat qualed.

Same at Southern. 20 hour duty limit keeps the days a little more sane.

742Dash 02-13-2019 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainDooley (Post 2763414)
For those of you that fly as a heavy crew

1- if you go with 3 CAs and 1 FO, do all the CAs have to be right seat qualified?

2- Does the PIC listed for the flight have to be in the left seat for every takeoff and landing?

The first issue is whether there is seat dependent training in that airplane, at that airline and how it is defined. That is between the FAA and the airline.

There is no FAR that requires the PIC to be in the left seat. Now you get back into seat dependent issues, company policy and the feelings of the POI. It is even possible for a line check airman conducting OE to be in the jump-seat, though I doubt that anyone has done that since the 1950s.

This is not a subject that can be painted with a broad brush.


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