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Old 02-18-2019, 06:29 AM   #11  
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Good morning. I have just a few questions:

I know that Southern had home basing, and is transitioning to gateway basing - does that mean that the base is 'officially' CVG, and is where the majority of trips start /end?

I know that MMG is 50/62 - but is that a fair representation of how much block one can expect each month on the 777?

It has been mentioned that the 747 operation is better than the 777, but both are better than the 767/737. There is no preference given though to 747 vs 767 at Atlas - so applying to Southern 777 is probably the best bet to avoid Atlas 767, correct?

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From what I have heard, and read, if you are put in the pool you can ask for what you want, and hold out for what you want.
For instance, a recent poolie was given an XXXX date for the 777. He asked if that was Southern, and Atlas said yes. He said he would wait for the next Atlas 747 class. They told him it might be a while. They called him a month later for the 747 class, but he was already somewhere better.

Atlas 747 pay is higher than 777, and, from what I have read, it is easier to get more than min guarantee on the 747, than the 777.
Atlas 767 pay is less than 777, and 737 pay is at the bottom.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:39 AM   #12  
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From what I have heard, and read, if you are put in the pool you can ask for what you want, and hold out for what you want.
For instance, a recent poolie was given an XXXX date for the 777. He asked if that was Southern, and Atlas said yes. He said he would wait for the next Atlas 747 class. They told him it might be a while. They called him a month later for the 747 class, but he was already somewhere better.

Atlas 747 pay is higher than 777, and, from what I have read, it is easier to get more than min guarantee on the 747, than the 777.
Atlas 767 pay is less than 777, and 737 pay is at the bottom.
Thank you Cliff - this is very helpful.
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Old 02-18-2019, 01:35 PM   #13  
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Super useful info! I was curious as to how they picked your equipment. I’d prefer the 74, but was sure if I could hold out for it.

If I can wait for the 74, that would be ideal. 777 would be next on my list.

Thanks again for all the useful info, guys!
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Super useful info! I was curious as to how they picked your equipment. I’d prefer the 74, but was sure if I could hold out for it.

If I can wait for the 74, that would be ideal. 777 would be next on my list.

Thanks again for all the useful info, guys!
A big shinnny 74!!
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A big shinnny 74!!

well...big anyway...
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From what I have heard, and read, if you are put in the pool you can ask for what you want, and hold out for what you want.
For instance, a recent poolie was given an XXXX date for the 777. He asked if that was Southern, and Atlas said yes. He said he would wait for the next Atlas 747 class. They told him it might be a while. They called him a month later for the 747 class, but he was already somewhere better.

Atlas 747 pay is higher than 777, and, from what I have read, it is easier to get more than min guarantee on the 747, than the 777.
Atlas 767 pay is less than 777, and 737 pay is at the bottom.
I know atlas newhires can be offered southern classes, but can southern newhires get atlas classes ever (74 or 76)?
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I know atlas newhires can be offered southern classes, but can southern newhires get atlas classes ever (74 or 76)?
It has happened multiple times.
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Could you explain what is trip RIG? I am currently on 135 op so not familiar with it. Thanks in advance.
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Could you explain what is trip RIG? I am currently on 135 op so not familiar with it. Thanks in advance.
We have a duty rig at Atlas/Southern which ends up being the main way that we get paid. It works out to about 4.85 hours of pay for 24 hours at work.
So, did you just operate a 15 hour flight? You’ll get paid for 4.85 hours.
Did you work a 14 hour reserve period? You’ll get paid for 4.85 hours.
Did you have a day that was 20 hours of operating/deadheading? You’ll get paid 4.85 hours.

I came to a Atlas from a 135 background. Feel free to PM me with any questions.
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It is a trip rig at 4.95 to 1. This means that for every 4.95 hours you are on your trip, you will get 1 hour of pay. The exception to this rule is that if you actually flew a lot during the trip and your flight time was more than the rig amount, you will be paid on flight pay rather than rig pay.

In a full 24 hour period you would bring in 4.85 (24 / 4.95) hours of pay if the Trip Rig is the active pay component in your month of pay.

As stated above, this Trip Rig almost always is the way a pilot gets paid at Atlas / Southern. In turn, this means that a day where you fly a 12 hour flight will only pay 4.85 and a day in the hotel on reserve also pays 4.85.

Since it is calculated on a minute by minute basis, your first and last day of the trip is only a partial day of pay (much less than 4.85). Trip Rig also stops running when you get sick on a trip and it stops running when you have training.

In turn, months when you get sick, have training, or have vacation almost always pay just 62 hours.
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