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Old 03-08-2019, 06:21 PM   #61  
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To be accurate, the pay "rig" at Atlas is an hourly rig. You will get one hour of pay for every 4.95 hours of "Time a'Away From Base" (TAFB). So for a 24 hour day you'd get 4.85 hours (24 divided by 4.95 = 4.85).

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1. You are paid the greater of pay credits (Block + DH = trng, etc), CRT, or Min Guarantee. Note that these calculations are made on a MONTHLY (not daily) basis! This is one of the weakest provisions of our "soft pay" issues at Atlas. If you fly a 16 hour trip one day, you're effectively paid for 4.85 hours for that trip.
2. Of course the first year is $1,600 / month in training and 50 hour guarantee after that.
3. Sick pays NOTHING until you are down to min guarantee (50 or 62) then it "pays" 3.65 hours per day.
4. Reserve "R - 1" (Home) pays NOTHING .
5. Reserve "R - 3" (Airportl) pays 1 hour for every 2 hours on duty
6. Training pays 3.65 hours per day.
6. Deadheads pay 1:2.85 - i.e., 2.85 hours of deadhead time equals one (1) hour of pay.
7. 737 FO's are paid at year one rates for the first three years (737 pilots are paid 75.91 of the "base 747" pay)

These are just a few of the highlights of our current contract...
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New guy to the Atlas CBA here. Doesn’t R3 (Airport Reserve) pays 1:2?
My mistake (fixed above)

You are absolutely correct, It is R3 that pays 1:2

note to self: don't cook and post at the same time ...
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Old 03-11-2019, 02:56 PM   #62  
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Is anyone on the forum actually a 777 FO for Southern? If so, could you please PM me?
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:00 PM   #63  
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Is anyone on the forum actually a 777 FO for Southern? If so, could you please PM me?
Give it a few weeks for a response. There’s no wifi on those planes.
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Give it a few weeks for a response. There’s no wifi on those planes.
Oh, good God, man..
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SoSoFlyer and Birdmash, PMs sent. Thanks.
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Told you....
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There's a list in the contract of 80 some airports that are considered gateways. Normally it is an airport close to your residence. Pilots living internationally pick one in the US. They can try to work the system and say "It's cheaper to buy me a ticket Bangkok to Hong Kong and I'll ride flight 123 to ANC than buy my MIA-ANC ticket."

In the eyes of the IRS people live where they work. Therefore if you are somewhere else and need a ride to work it's a benefit. Same thing with hotels in base. In the eyes of the IRS why do you need a hotel where you live? So it's subject to being taxed.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Atlas is the only company doing this whole imputed thing? I’m not aware of any other carrier doing this.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Atlas is the only company doing this whole imputed thing? I’m not aware of any other carrier doing this.

Leverage. Plane and simple.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Atlas is the only company doing this whole imputed thing? I’m not aware of any other carrier doing this.
There is a lot of history to the Atlas gateway system, but in the end it simply boils down to Atlas having both bases and travel to and from the pilot's actual home. So the IRS sees travel between the home and the assigned base as being a benefit.

In the past airlines have avoided this by having either real home basing or by declaring the crew base as being in some nowhere location that no one ever touches.

And a good chunk of the Atlas crews do in fact live in base, and some [but only some] of the Atlas flying is fairly firm and is scheduled around the base system. Both of those things complicate the picture further.

What Atlas needs is a hybrid system. Default being home basing, with hard bases/flying scheduled in the hard bases for those who want that. And of course some minor incentive to nudge pilots to bid the hard bases if that works for them. But that kind of change is not going to happen in the current Atlas environment.
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Leverage. Plane and simple.
I appreciate the unintended pun.
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