Southern Air
04-04-2019, 12:22 AM
#71
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Position: Capt
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Originally Posted by balmy
One question I have is, what is considered your gateway? Where you live and your home airport or are there gateway cities that you have to commute to on your own for them to buy you a ticket to start your rotation? Also, where do punitive taxes come into play? Thanks.
04-04-2019, 12:25 AM
#72
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Originally Posted by B727DRVR
Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Atlas is the only company doing this whole imputed thing? I’m not aware of any other carrier doing this.
04-16-2019, 01:32 PM
#73
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While I totally understand the need to budget for min guarantee, is that what dudes are seeing on a regular basis? If it's more of an occasional occurrence, what is a closer average for the 777 and 737? Any dudes recently go through the training? How long were you in training and how quickly were you out flying the line? Is there a reserve penance to pay before flying the line on both fleets? I appreciate the help and info!
04-16-2019, 04:07 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by Timmay202
While I totally understand the need to budget for min guarantee, is that what dudes are seeing on a regular basis? If it's more of an occasional occurrence, what is a closer average for the 777 and 737? Any dudes recently go through the training? How long were you in training and how quickly were you out flying the line? Is there a reserve penance to pay before flying the line on both fleets? I appreciate the help and info!
On the B777, breaking guarantee is the norm, which is the opposite problem from the B737. Expect to be constantly extended to work involuntarily on your days off where you are gone at least three out of the four weeks each and every month (or more).
The bigger question to ask yourself is why would you even consider this job when there are so many better options out there?
My God, the starting pay at almost every regional hiring is now double what you would make at Southern.
04-16-2019, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
My God, the starting pay at almost every regional hiring is now double what you would make at Southern.
04-17-2019, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
In fairness, if I wanted to go to a regional you bet like hell I'd go for a nice 737 type rating courtesy of Southern Air before quitting to go there.
1) If this is your first airline job and first transport category jet you need to realize the training program is largely "self guided". You're sat down in front of a computer, issued an iPad with literally dozens of company documents and you're responsible for ALL. OF. IT. Ok, fine, you pass the oral, you even pass the checkride, but you still have to pass OE and no one is holding your hand. IN FACT, since the Atlas 767 crash, the FAA is crawling all over the training center.
2) Low pay and risk of a 121 training bust on your record not enough to keep you away? Ok, fine, you still must contend with the fact both Atlas and Southern (and ABX for that matter) are in a knock down, drag out gutter fight with management and all that entails. Everything from risk of flying being transferred from one carrier to the other (AKA: The Whipsaw) and the possibility of going on strike during your 1st year of probation.
Living the dream!
A wise old man would probably suggest it's far safer to simply build time the more traditional way than to risk your training record, a certificate action or professional reputation while attempting a short cut to a Boeing job.
Low pay is the least of your worries especially if you're still living at home. The other stuff will follow you around for the rest of your career.
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