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Old 02-23-2019, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ypSUHlanti View Post
a little off-topic, but can any one explain what the heck gateway basing is for the 777? How's does it work for someone that lives in the SE, and how does it effect your net income at the end of the year?
How it works now, basically, is: Atlas/Southern buys you a ticket from your Gateway, to wherever they want you to start your pattern. When you are done, they fly you from wherever your pattern ended, back to your Gateway.

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Old 03-02-2019, 12:10 AM
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Here I go again? Refer to post 30 where I warned about Junior Assignment on top of 17-20 days already scheduled.

“Nor will pilots being junior assigned well past their already 17-20 days.”

Yes, please come to Southern where you will make lots of money because you will rarely get to go home. On top of that you get to enjoy Gateway Basing and Imputed Income just like our Atlas Brothers and sisters. Is that better recruiting?

Jack, I was referring to the pilots eligible to vote for the LOA being aware of Gateway Basing. I know it’s hard to keep up but try a little harder. I’m very pro-Union but laughing at the attempt to decrease hiring through the use of an “unofficial” social media hit squad that spews less than truthful information about an airline they do not even work for. Atlas just reported record revenue, and earnings. Somehow the planes keep moving and pilots keep showing up for new hire class. Good on ya for trying though.
You might want to read that contract you voted in. Atlas doesn't have junior assigning.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
How it works now, basically, is: Atlas/Southern buys you a ticket from your Gateway, to wherever they want you to start your pattern. When you are done, they fly you from wherever your pattern ended, back to your Gateway.

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One question I have is, what is considered your gateway? Where you live and your home airport or are there gateway cities that you have to commute to on your own for them to buy you a ticket to start your rotation? Also, where do punitive taxes come into play? Thanks.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NorthernPilot1 View Post
You might want to read that contract you voted in. Atlas doesn't have junior assigning.
The Scheduling section of the LOA/Atlas CBA does not take effect until 1 June. SouthernAir has junior assignment until then.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by balmy View Post
One question I have is, what is considered your gateway? Where you live and your home airport or are there gateway cities that you have to commute to on your own for them to buy you a ticket to start your rotation? Also, where do punitive taxes come into play? Thanks.
There's a list in the contract of 80 some airports that are considered gateways. Normally it is an airport close to your residence. Pilots living internationally pick one in the US. They can try to work the system and say "It's cheaper to buy me a ticket Bangkok to Hong Kong and I'll ride flight 123 to ANC than buy my MIA-ANC ticket."

In the eyes of the IRS people live where they work. Therefore if you are somewhere else and need a ride to work it's a benefit. Same thing with hotels in base. In the eyes of the IRS why do you need a hotel where you live? So it's subject to being taxed.
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Old 03-08-2019, 06:27 AM
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Curious, any Southern/Atlas guys have time to take a look what gateway cities are around the Northwest? Particularly Montana, I live in Helena. Thanks
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:18 AM
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Curious, any Southern/Atlas guys have time to take a look what gateway cities are around the Northwest? Particularly Montana, I live in Helena. Thanks
HLN is listed as a gateway airport. I am sure they’d approve BZN, GTF, BIL etc as well.
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:46 AM
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HLN is listed as a gateway airport. I am sure they’d approve BZN, GTF, BIL etc as well.
Ok excellent! Thanks for taking the time to check. Appreciate it. I'm looking at trying to get on at an ACMI carrier. I have a friend at Southern that wants me to apply, but I'm not really sure I can take the pay cut. Also, I wish labor relations were better and a contract could be expected in the near future for you guys, but after reading and doing some research that doesn't seem very likely anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Asiabound View Post
Back to the rig question...

Got it, you get 4.85 credit minimum per day because of the rig. But it is a trip rig, not a duty rig right? So you take 4.85 X 17 days =82.45 (I understand there will be half days so it's a little more complicated I'm just saying 17 days for simplicity.) Then you compare that with total flight time for the month? Say 75 hours? Trip rig wins and you get paid/credited 82.45 hours? Also, is the rig clock running while you are deadheading on day 0 or day 18? Or is it just the flat 25% deadhead pay tacked on to the rig time?

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To be accurate, the pay "rig" at Atlas is an hourly rig. You will get one hour of pay for every 4.95 hours of "Time a'Away From Base" (TAFB). So for a 24 hour day you'd get 4.85 hours (24 divided by 4.95 = 4.85).

NOTES:
1. You are paid the greater of pay credits (Block + DH = trng, etc), CRT, or Min Guarantee. Note that these calculations are made on a MONTHLY (not daily) basis! This is one of the weakest provisions of our "soft pay" issues at Atlas. If you fly a 16 hour trip one day, you're effectively paid for 4.85 hours for that trip.
2. Of course the first year is $1,600 / month in training and 50 hour guarantee after that.
3. Sick pays NOTHING until you are down to min guarantee (50 or 62) then it "pays" 3.65 hours per day.
4. Reserve "R - 1" (Home) pays NOTHING .
5. Reserve "R - 2" (Hotel) pays 1 hour for every 2 hours on duty
6. Training pays 3.65 hours per day.
6. Deadheads pay 1:2.85 - i.e., 2.85 hours of deadhead time equals one (1) hour of pay.
7. 737 FO's are paid at year one rates for the first three years (737 pilots are paid 75.91 of the "base 747" pay)

These are just a few of the highlights of our current contract...
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Old 03-08-2019, 05:36 PM
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New guy to the Atlas CBA here. Doesn’t R3 (Airport Reserve) pays 1:2?
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