Atlas 767 went down in Houston
03-11-2019, 06:04 PM
#501
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
Instead of impugning the motives of the other people who are posting in the thread, if people don't like what they're reading they're free to stop reading the thread.
What people are not free to do is use their own opinion as a bludgeon to determine what it is and is not okay for other people to discuss in a public forum.
What people are not free to do is use their own opinion as a bludgeon to determine what it is and is not okay for other people to discuss in a public forum.
03-11-2019, 08:33 PM
#502
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Greg Feith NTSB comments on Atlas Air crash
Gregory Allen "Greg" Feith is an American former Senior Air Safety Investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Today on Denver News Channel 9, while commenting on the 737 Max crashes, Greg Feith said this, verbatim:
“...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
No idea where he’s getting this, but I recorded it, so these are his words.
“...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
No idea where he’s getting this, but I recorded it, so these are his words.
03-11-2019, 09:05 PM
#503
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Originally Posted by Tandem46
Gregory Allen "Greg" Feith is an American former Senior Air Safety Investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Today on Denver News Channel 9, while commenting on the 737 Max crashes, Greg Feith said this, verbatim:
“...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
No idea where he’s getting this, but I recorded it, so these are his words.
“...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
No idea where he’s getting this, but I recorded it, so these are his words.
03-11-2019, 09:32 PM
#504
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Originally Posted by Tandem46
Gregory Allen "Greg" Feith is an American former Senior Air Safety Investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Today on Denver News Channel 9, while commenting on the 737 Max crashes, Greg Feith said this, verbatim:
“...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
No idea where he’s getting this, but I recorded it, so these are his words.
“...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
No idea where he’s getting this, but I recorded it, so these are his words.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false
03-12-2019, 05:34 AM
#505
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
Wow. Greg Feith really did say that. Here it is on his Facebook page:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false
And speaking of the public, his role these days seems to be to appear in TV specials about air disasters as a "safety expert".
03-12-2019, 05:44 AM
#506
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Originally Posted by zerozero
I don't believe he would be party to the investigation and therefore have no knowledge beyond what the public already knows.
03-12-2019, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tandem46
You gotta be naive to believe that Greg doesn’t get inside information from the NTSB given his past position. And Greg’s been around long enough that I seriously doubt that he’s just making up those statements.
Not good enough. And he's doing a disservice.
03-12-2019, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by zerozero
Problem is, he just expects everyone to take his word for it, without providing any evidence of his allegation?...
Unfortunately, also, most of them are social media blabbers, so potentially bad information gets regurgitated into the twitter-sphere.
Originally Posted by zerozero
...Not good enough. And he's doing a disservice.
03-12-2019, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Tandem46
You gotta be naive to believe that Greg doesn’t get inside information from the NTSB given his past position. And Greg’s been around long enough that I seriously doubt that he’s just making up those statements.
03-12-2019, 06:54 AM
#510
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https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/DCA19MA086.aspx
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