Atlas 767 went down in Houston
03-20-2019, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
F4e needs to understand the difference between flying on the backside of the power curve and the front side, and how absolutely ridiculous it is to think you'd fly a jet on the back side.
Regardless of the cause of the accident, I hope it drives new training standards that emphasize and rewards good hand flying skills with less reliance of automation, and creates a mandate to limit the amount of automation that doesn't give the pilots the final authority. Engineers do NOT know better than line pilots.
Regardless of the cause of the accident, I hope it drives new training standards that emphasize and rewards good hand flying skills with less reliance of automation, and creates a mandate to limit the amount of automation that doesn't give the pilots the final authority. Engineers do NOT know better than line pilots.
03-20-2019, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
F4e needs to understand the difference between flying on the backside of the power curve and the front side, and how absolutely ridiculous it is to think you'd fly a jet on the back side.
Regardless of the cause of the accident, I hope it drives new training standards that emphasize and rewards good hand flying skills with less reliance of automation, and creates a mandate to limit the amount of automation that doesn't give the pilots the final authority. Engineers do NOT know better than line pilots.
Regardless of the cause of the accident, I hope it drives new training standards that emphasize and rewards good hand flying skills with less reliance of automation, and creates a mandate to limit the amount of automation that doesn't give the pilots the final authority. Engineers do NOT know better than line pilots.
03-20-2019, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jetlaggy
C17 flies on the backside once flaps are down. or out or extended or not up. or whatever we are calling it today.
03-20-2019, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim
I doubt training is the issue here. No one can rationalize a spontaneous and smoothly applied nose dive into the ground from a moderate altitude with three experienced guys on deck and decent visibility. There had to be something wrong with that airplane.
03-20-2019, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim
I doubt training is the issue here. No one can rationalize a spontaneous and smoothly applied nose dive into the ground from a moderate altitude with three experienced guys on deck and decent visibility. There had to be something wrong with that airplane.
Sometimes actions/reactions aren't rational and are just grasping hoping they made the right move.
03-20-2019, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim
I doubt training is the issue here. No one can rationalize a spontaneous and smoothly applied nose dive into the ground from a moderate altitude with three experienced guys on deck and decent visibility. There had to be something wrong with that airplane.
Safety is our top priority.
03-20-2019, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by F4E Mx
What do you think the aircraft would do if you brought up the nose 4 up degrees while already at a critical angle of attack? Was the 10,000 feet rate of descent an illusion? How about the radar hit 30 seconds earlier which was 4,750 fpm rate of descent? Another illusion? Most people add power to arrest a descent and also add power put the nose down in a stall recovery attempt. Guess you are different. Glad I don't fly with you.
I can't imagine a stick shaker, which has an input from the AOA vane never not working. Those AOA sensors are just infallible.
I can't imagine a stick shaker, which has an input from the AOA vane never not working. Those AOA sensors are just infallible.
03-20-2019, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Are you being sarcastic or stupid? The AOA sensors are implicated in two recent accidents.
03-21-2019, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
I, too, hope it was due to something mechanical on the airplanes we strap our asses into everyday and not the fault of irresponsible managers.
Safety is our top priority.
Safety is our top priority.
Last edited by kevbo; 03-21-2019 at 04:21 AM.
03-21-2019, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kevbo
Every mechanical aspect of aviation is a series of managed activities. The system is designed so that people who actually touch the aircraft cannot have prior knowlege or even the ability to think independently. That is why it was so easy to globalize all manufacturing and maintenance. It is also the reason industry is pushing hard to eradicate existing basic standards for maintenance personell, which is almost non-existant as it is. The typical Uber driver is more educated and skilled than all but the top aviation workers.
The majors also have in-house mx as well, don't they? It is my understanding that Atlas farms all of it out.
I'm not trying to alude to anything, I have respect for the A&P's and know they take their job seriously.
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