Amazon obstructing Atlas & ATSG pilots
03-06-2019, 07:41 AM
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Amazon obstructing Atlas & ATSG pilots
The real reason Atlas and ABX pilots do not have a new CBA and will likely not have a new CBA is because of the influence that Amazon now has on their parent companies, AAWW and ATSG.
businessinsider.com: "And some analysts like Bernstein's David Vernon doubt that customers would want to use Amazon Air. He wrote that airport to airport, Amazon Air is cheaper than UPS or FedEx because of Amazon Air pilots' lower salaries."
"'Amazon is doing everything possible to keep their shipping expense low because it's ballooning,' Marc Wulfraat, the president and founder of supply-chain consultancy MWPVL International, told Business Insider."
All of the rumors of new airplanes or a new CBA are simply attempts by AAWW and ATSG management to keep their pilots flying their airplanes at substandard pay for as long as they possibly can which will likely be many years into the future. With Amazon likely the driving force behind this union busting effort it's logical to conclude that any lost business due to a lack of pilots is irrelevant as long as Amazon planes keep flying.
businessinsider.com: "And some analysts like Bernstein's David Vernon doubt that customers would want to use Amazon Air. He wrote that airport to airport, Amazon Air is cheaper than UPS or FedEx because of Amazon Air pilots' lower salaries."
"'Amazon is doing everything possible to keep their shipping expense low because it's ballooning,' Marc Wulfraat, the president and founder of supply-chain consultancy MWPVL International, told Business Insider."
All of the rumors of new airplanes or a new CBA are simply attempts by AAWW and ATSG management to keep their pilots flying their airplanes at substandard pay for as long as they possibly can which will likely be many years into the future. With Amazon likely the driving force behind this union busting effort it's logical to conclude that any lost business due to a lack of pilots is irrelevant as long as Amazon planes keep flying.
03-06-2019, 08:11 AM
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So, everyone just stop flying for them. Force their hand. Make them hand over a new CBA before resuming work. Strength in numbers.
The overall goal of any business is to keep overhead low while maximizing profits. The pilot group, also know by CEO’s and investors as “cost units”, have an always will be a major expense that companies can and will keep underpaid just so they can show some sort of year-over-year profit to their investors.
The overall goal of any business is to keep overhead low while maximizing profits. The pilot group, also know by CEO’s and investors as “cost units”, have an always will be a major expense that companies can and will keep underpaid just so they can show some sort of year-over-year profit to their investors.
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03-06-2019, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Said no K4 pilot...
Atlas, Southern, ABX, and ATI fly Amazon planes and only ATI has a new CBA but it was obtained more than a year after K4 and others got theirs and it's substandard to all of those.
Management doesn't even negotiate with Atlas, Southern, or ABX pilots and the reason for that has become evident: AMAZON. If Amazon is pulling the strings and is determined to keep pilot pay substandard then AAWW and ATSG could literally lose half of their pilots and management would not care as long as Amazon planes keep flying.
03-06-2019, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dwight3
Yes, exactly. K4 flies DHL planes and was able to get a new CBA. But they don't fly Amazon planes.
Atlas, Southern, ABX, and ATI fly Amazon planes and only ATI has a new CBA but it was obtained more than a year after K4 and others got theirs and it's substandard to all of those.
Management doesn't even negotiate with Atlas, Southern, or ABX pilots and the reason for that has become evident: AMAZON. If Amazon is pulling the strings and is determined to keep pilot pay substandard then AAWW and ATSG could literally lose half of their pilots and management would not care as long as Amazon planes keep flying.
Atlas, Southern, ABX, and ATI fly Amazon planes and only ATI has a new CBA but it was obtained more than a year after K4 and others got theirs and it's substandard to all of those.
Management doesn't even negotiate with Atlas, Southern, or ABX pilots and the reason for that has become evident: AMAZON. If Amazon is pulling the strings and is determined to keep pilot pay substandard then AAWW and ATSG could literally lose half of their pilots and management would not care as long as Amazon planes keep flying.
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