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Old 04-21-2019, 05:59 AM   #21  
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Well, Atlas could be a "diamond in the rough" like K4 was right before the new contract, IF your contract IS right around the corner.
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Well, Atlas could be a "diamond in the rough" like K4 was right before the new contract, IF your contract IS right around the corner.
Omni was the same way before they got their new contract. Hopefully, the Atlas pilots will be the same soon.
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Old 04-21-2019, 06:18 AM   #23  
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Sounds horrible, Iím sure schedules like that destroyís families!

Are you staying for a career? Jumping ship laterally to other ACMIís? Have apps out to LLCís?

If schedule so horrible and family so important, why are many of you staying? What are the attrition numbers like (if published)? Data must exist.
This is the frustrating part. I have been here 12 years now and have been a 74 CA for almost 4 years. Those who can leave, and are in an earlier stage of their career, are leaving. But for many of us, leaving is easier said than done.

Almost everyone will tell you that they enjoy the actual job, but the lies and abuse from management, including the absolute refusal to negotiate a fair contract that would stop the bleeding and allow Atlas Air to capture market share, has reached suicidal levels and left most of us shaking our heads.

Everything is punitive at Atlas. I average about 70 hours a month. The only way to make any real money here is work a lot of overtime. But you have to be able to get the overtime which comes and goes in waves.

The pilots are viewed as the enemy by Bill and John which is why we have a toxic work culture here. We will be lucky if we don't kill more people before it is all said and done.

The crazy thing is that pilots come to this site and hear all this, but somehow don't believe it.

Atlas could be one of the best jobs in aviation if only for a fair contract. Many of us are going to have to ride it out one way or another.
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This is the frustrating part. I have been here 12 years now and have been a 74 CA for almost 4 years. Those who can leave, and are in an earlier stage of their career, are leaving. But for many of us, leaving is easier said than done.

Almost everyone will tell you that they enjoy the actual job, but the lies and abuse from management, including the absolute refusal to negotiate a fair contract that would stop the bleeding and allow Atlas Air to capture market share, has reached suicidal levels and left most of us shaking our heads.

Everything is punitive at Atlas. I average about 70 hours a month. The only way to make any real money here is work a lot of overtime. But you have to be able to get the overtime which comes and goes in waves.

The pilots are viewed as the enemy by Bill and John which is why we have a toxic work culture here. We will be lucky if we don't kill more people before it is all said and done.

The crazy thing is that pilots come to this site and hear all this, but somehow don't believe it.

Atlas could be one of the best jobs in aviation if only for a fair contract. Many of us are going to have to ride it out one way or another.
Nobody expects everyone to be in a position to leave.

Some strong people need to stick around to fight the 'good fight'.
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This is the frustrating part. I have been here 12 years now and have been a 74 CA for almost 4 years. Those who can leave, and are in an earlier stage of their career, are leaving. But for many of us, leaving is easier said than done.

Almost everyone will tell you that they enjoy the actual job, but the lies and abuse from management, including the absolute refusal to negotiate a fair contract that would stop the bleeding and allow Atlas Air to capture market share, has reached suicidal levels and left most of us shaking our heads.

Everything is punitive at Atlas. I average about 70 hours a month. The only way to make any real money here is work a lot of overtime. But you have to be able to get the overtime which comes and goes in waves.

The pilots are viewed as the enemy by Bill and John which is why we have a toxic work culture here. We will be lucky if we don't kill more people before it is all said and done.

The crazy thing is that pilots come to this site and hear all this, but somehow don't believe it.

Atlas could be one of the best jobs in aviation if only for a fair contract. Many of us are going to have to ride it out one way or another.
Atlas was built on the back of guys like shrugged here. And when it came time to pay up the company chose to litigate and stall instead of negotiate fairly and this is the mess we are in now.

I am also worried about the lasting legacy this protracted labor dispute will leave. Guys with 4-5 yrs on property came in with tons of experience from other carriers and have now all upgraded , but as they steadily flow from the left seat to other jobs the newest captains will have less and less. Iím sure most are sharp and will be fine but for many this will be their first pic experience. You just donít get good at flying doing this kind of work. If they didnít get some good hands on Time from where they came I donít know how they will get it now.
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Without this turning into a bashing contest about Atlas, would someone, preferably newer, be so kind to post their typical schedule for the month on the 767? I hear they're based out of Ontario Ca. these days if I've heard right. Thanks
I can't speak to the 767 or ONT, but please do yourself the favor of reading up on the current situation at Atlas. The main thread is on the Hiring section here on APC. You should be able to make up your own mind by doing that research. It's very extensive and informative.

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Well, Atlas could be a "diamond in the rough" like K4 was right before the new contract, IF your contract IS right around the corner.
In my personal experience of 7+ years at Atlas, my opinion is that there will not be a new contract anytime in the next several years. Hoping there will be one will not change the way management operates. JMHO
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Sounds horrible, Iím sure schedules like that destroyís families!

Are you staying for a career? Jumping ship laterally to other ACMIís? Have apps out to LLCís?

If schedule so horrible and family so important, why are many of you staying? What are the attrition numbers like (if published)? Data must exist.
Right now Iím sitting at top %40 in company. Very senior on the jet. Live in base, work the system. It is what it is. Trying to get out ASAP.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:01 AM   #28  
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This is the frustrating part. I have been here 12 years now and have been a 74 CA for almost 4 years. Those who can leave, and are in an earlier stage of their career, are leaving. But for many of us, leaving is easier said than done.

Almost everyone will tell you that they enjoy the actual job, but the lies and abuse from management, including the absolute refusal to negotiate a fair contract that would stop the bleeding and allow Atlas Air to capture market share, has reached suicidal levels and left most of us shaking our heads.

Everything is punitive at Atlas. I average about 70 hours a month. The only way to make any real money here is work a lot of overtime. But you have to be able to get the overtime which comes and goes in waves.

The pilots are viewed as the enemy by Bill and John which is why we have a toxic work culture here. We will be lucky if we don't kill more people before it is all said and done.

The crazy thing is that pilots come to this site and hear all this, but somehow don't believe it.

Atlas could be one of the best jobs in aviation if only for a fair contract. Many of us are going to have to ride it out one way or another.
I'm listening. With only 7 years left before 65 to get back into this just for an adventure, doesn't sound worth the headaches. Much appreciate your insight. As well as to others who posted productive information. Currentlly work a non flying gig as an avionics tech home every night, mediocre money but sustainable. Had a great flying gig for 19 years but got furloughed a few years back. Best to just be appreciative for the good memories but no longer obtainable at my age. Thank you again...
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Any particular reason you're focused on Atlas? Kalitta and Omni have similar schedules but MUCH better contracts.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:32 AM   #30  
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Any particular reason you're focused on Atlas? Kalitta and Omni have similar schedules but MUCH better contracts.
The money isn’t nearly as good at Atlas but it’s more laid back and chill.
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