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Old 04-21-2019, 09:41 AM   #31  
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Any particular reason you're focused on Atlas? Kalitta and Omni have similar schedules but MUCH better contracts.
In all honesty, only because I was offered an interview. Don't even have an offer. Probably won't hear from Kalitta or Omni because of my lack of F/W specific time. Loads of helo time which is useless. Also looking at regional stuff but Atlas had the Ontario base which was doable from SAN. SKW has a base but pretty senior. Just looking more at QOL options since rebuilding a career at this age is a loss.
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Can't speak for Kalitta but there was a guy in my class at Omni who was mostly military helo. I think he had done some time in a King Air at some point as well, and maybe a little bit of biz jet time. Just a data point.
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In all honesty, only because I was offered an interview. Don't even have an offer. Probably won't hear from Kalitta or Omni because of my lack of F/W specific time. Loads of helo time which is useless. Also looking at regional stuff but Atlas had the Ontario base which was doable from SAN. SKW has a base but pretty senior. Just looking more at QOL options since rebuilding a career at this age is a loss.
Being based anywhere - hardly means anything @ Atlas. I’m based in CVG - and can’t remember the last time I actually started or ended a pattern there.

You could very easily bid a 17 day r2 line in base, and they call you up and say- Hey catch the freighter to Nartia your sitting R2 for 17 days there. One of the perks of Atlas. You don’t get to choose- you’re merely guiding an out of control tracker trailer until
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This is the frustrating part. I have been here 12 years now and have been a 74 CA for almost 4 years. Those who can leave, and are in an earlier stage of their career, are leaving. But for many of us, leaving is easier said than done.

Almost everyone will tell you that they enjoy the actual job, but the lies and abuse from management, including the absolute refusal to negotiate a fair contract that would stop the bleeding and allow Atlas Air to capture market share, has reached suicidal levels and left most of us shaking our heads.

Everything is punitive at Atlas. I average about 70 hours a month. The only way to make any real money here is work a lot of overtime. But you have to be able to get the overtime which comes and goes in waves.

The pilots are viewed as the enemy by Bill and John which is why we have a toxic work culture here. We will be lucky if we don't kill more people before it is all said and done.

The crazy thing is that pilots come to this site and hear all this, but somehow don't believe it.

Atlas could be one of the best jobs in aviation if only for a fair contract. Many of us are going to have to ride it out one way or another.
This is very true.
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Old 04-21-2019, 10:48 AM   #35  
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In all honesty, only because I was offered an interview. Don't even have an offer. Probably won't hear from Kalitta or Omni because of my lack of F/W specific time. Loads of helo time which is useless. Also looking at regional stuff but Atlas had the Ontario base which was doable from SAN. SKW has a base but pretty senior. Just looking more at QOL options since rebuilding a career at this age is a loss.
You're more marketable than you think. As someone said earlier, morale here is very low. Due to a number of factors within our corporate culture, we aren't an organization that's capable of adjusting operations or training to new realities. There's a whole discussion which can be had as to why this is the case. So, as another post said, we could kill you. Literally.

There are other airlines, especially those which give you flow that would love to have you. Flow sometimes takes over a decade, but you can think of it as a form of career insurance. Living in base is wonderful, but having a future is much more important.
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Old 04-21-2019, 11:39 AM   #36  
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You're more marketable than you think. As someone said earlier, morale here is very low. Due to a number of factors within our corporate culture, we aren't an organization that's capable of adjusting operations or training to new realities. There's a whole discussion which can be had as to why this is the case. So, as another post said, we could kill you. Literally.

There are other airlines, especially those which give you flow that would love to have you. Flow sometimes takes over a decade, but you can think of it as a form of career insurance. Living in base is wonderful, but having a future is much more important.
Much appreciate your info. I only have 7 years left in the 121 world so flow isn't much of an option with most regionals. Flying and QOL with out taking to much of a hit in pay initially our pretty much the highest priorities. Flying a shiny big jet is also a bit appealing but can go either way with that. Especially with the circumstances quoted above.
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you’re merely guiding an out of control tracker trailer until
Your days off.
That's pretty funny right there.. Info to consider that I never thought of. Base assignment means nothing. R2? Reserve? Thank you..
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Can't speak for Kalitta but there was a guy in my class at Omni who was mostly military helo. I think he had done some time in a King Air at some point as well, and maybe a little bit of biz jet time. Just a data point.
Sounds similar to my past other than all civilian. Had also looked at 135 again with a CE500 type but not many use it anymore. Now mostly CE525. Appreciate your response..
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Can't speak for Kalitta but there was a guy in my class at Omni who was mostly military helo. I think he had done some time in a King Air at some point as well, and maybe a little bit of biz jet time. Just a data point.
Omni likes military guys, and it’s pretty much the only way in with lower TT.
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Management doesn’t fly with you and neither does the Union.
Management doesn’t spend downtime with you and neither does the Union.
The “toxic” atmosphere is created by the people that can only talk about 3 subjects and it’s all cry and moan.
Luckily more often then not you’re flying with a crew that reminds you what this job is about: getting the airplane from over here to over there the safest way possible and having the most fun while doing it.
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