Atlas or Flexjet?
04-27-2019, 01:19 PM
#42
All is fine at .79
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: Paahlot
Posts: 4,083
Originally Posted by Hogcapt
Not too forget consolidation as well. Now that only time in the actual seat counts towards the 100 hours.
As it should.
Which is easy to accomplish, just let the other guy sleep a little longer.
When you meet your crew just tell them, I'm on "consolidation" mind if I take the seat? Unless somebody seriously needs a landing they'll accommodate.
As this stage you need as much seat time as you can get anyway.
04-28-2019, 02:23 PM
#43
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by Froggy
1-3 landings per month is EXACTLY correct. Unless you're being dishonest about if you need to leg or not (which some people are sadly). If you're an FO you get a TON of 3rd/4th seat time, especially considering the amount of OE going on.
04-28-2019, 02:34 PM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
I had a day recently. Operate PSM-HMM. at this point my duty day is around 11 hours. But....
Limo- HNN to Frankfurt ( not done yet )
Commercial to Stockholm
An easy 11 hour day turned into a 21 hour duty ( all legal )
Followed by min rest back to BWI.
Many many years ago, one could see multi day layovers, decent flying.
We are still doing the same flying, unfortunately we are so incredibly thin with crews, and last minute fatigue and sick calls, the days of spending 3 days in Hawaii or Hong Kong are long gone.
Min rest, an back to work.
Limo- HNN to Frankfurt ( not done yet )
Commercial to Stockholm
An easy 11 hour day turned into a 21 hour duty ( all legal )
Followed by min rest back to BWI.
Many many years ago, one could see multi day layovers, decent flying.
We are still doing the same flying, unfortunately we are so incredibly thin with crews, and last minute fatigue and sick calls, the days of spending 3 days in Hawaii or Hong Kong are long gone.
Min rest, an back to work.
HOWEVER, if you are deadheading at the end of your duty day, as described above (Commercial to Stockholm), you are not allowed over a 20 hour duty day, unless you are waiving rest to go home.
04-28-2019, 04:11 PM
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 698
Originally Posted by atpcliff
Not conforming with the Atlas contract. Max duty day is 20 hours, extendable to 22, with 4 pilots.
HOWEVER, if you are deadheading at the end of your duty day, as described above (Commercial to Stockholm), you are not allowed over a 20 hour duty day, unless you are waiving rest to go home.
HOWEVER, if you are deadheading at the end of your duty day, as described above (Commercial to Stockholm), you are not allowed over a 20 hour duty day, unless you are waiving rest to go home.
04-28-2019, 04:39 PM
#46
Polyester Pilot
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 510
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
The company doesn’t count when the wake up call goes off- but I do... that’s an hour I’m up, alert and getting ready for work.
04-28-2019, 06:21 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 698
Originally Posted by sky jet
Neither does Wells Fargo, GM, Boeing, Joe's plumbing or any other company. Your day starts when you show up for work. Do you think pilots are special?
Our wake up call goes off 3 sometimes 3.5 hours before we block out.
The plumber exposing his a$$ crack at my home, probably wakes up :45 minutes before he starts turning wrenches.
Being awake for that amount of time before you actually start “working” creates an extremely long day.
So, no- not special, just stating facts...
04-28-2019, 08:07 PM
#48
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 386
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
Not at all... but if we want to go with what your saying- then why did the FAA change the min rest from 8 to 10 they realized pilots were not really getting 8 hours.
Our wake up call goes off 3 sometimes 3.5 hours before we block out.
..
Our wake up call goes off 3 sometimes 3.5 hours before we block out.
..
And before you think the bunks solve some of these issues, the company can and will schedule you to the legal limit, including long days with a two pilot crew.
04-29-2019, 07:05 AM
#50
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by Packrat
Pretty typical ACMI. In the 18 months I was in ACMI I flew the airplane EXACTLY 14 times. Not especially good for time building.
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