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Old 05-11-2019, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by navigatro View Post
you sound jealous. somebody didn't make the cut to be a military pilot.
Except I did. Only I was low, slow, and inhaling dust while the C-5, C-17 guys got their combat pay one "lasing" at a time. Am I jealous he is at American? Absolutely. I am not impressed with a former military IP who states "the risk to my license was getting too high." Sounds like a conceited SOB who came out of the womb with thousands of hours of international heavy time.

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Old 05-11-2019, 10:21 PM
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[QUOTE=MiracleMets;2818634] "guys got their combat pay one "lasing" at a time."

That is still going on over here every day. They report it above 250 most of the time. We just look at each other in the brief and roll our eyes.

Unfortunately, that steely eyed, combat hardened, douchebag is gonna have a lot higher seniority number at Delta than the ones of us who read the Southern/Atlas threads...
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Old 05-12-2019, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
Too funny! You guys crack me up. So, pilots on the seniority list (union pilots) used to be a very important part of the interview and hiring process.

As things got more toxic a few years ago, the pilots were kicked out of the process. The only "pilots" allowed in the process now are chief pilots (management) and retired pilots that management knows won't rock the boat.
Rock what boat? So are you saying "union pilots" use the hiring process as a leverage? During negotiation, they decline 99% of the interviewees even though they are fully qualified as a way so company cannot get pilots so would come to the table and negotiate. During normal times, they would hire 99% of the same interviewees. That would be despicable! They are wasting company's time/money and more importantly, wasted time/money of the interviewees.

If that is the case, then company is right to put retired pilots who are involved in training in the interview process. They are more neutral and unbiased. It's not like they randomly use any retired pilots.
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Old 05-12-2019, 04:48 AM
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I think there's bias from all parties during an interview. That's why having union representation is important. More perspectives lead to a better selection/result. Less perspective leads to worse outcomes.

FWIW, I've flown with a lot of pilots coming to us from regionals, 135 and corporate who bring a lot to the table. Often my strengths compliment their weaknesses and their strengths compliment my weaknesses. The problem isn't the human beings we're hiring. The problem is how we are training and treating them once they are here. We're consistently failing our pilots and relying on the knowledge they bring rather than the knowledge we imbue. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the company own their failures and announce any corrective action yet. There's still a lot of public back-patting going on at all levels despite killing three people. This makes me think we are still dangerously out of touch.
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Old 05-12-2019, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MiracleMets View Post
Except I did. Only I was low, slow, and inhaling dust while the C-5, C-17 guys got their combat pay one "lasing" at a time. Am I jealous he is at American? Absolutely. I am not impressed with a former military IP who states "the risk to my license was getting too high." Sounds like a conceited SOB who came out of the womb with thousands of hours of international heavy time.
There's a lot of us here that did. We should hang out. I mean, I like to talk about weird sh-t like the history of nails or different carpentry techniques in Europe. But still. You know. We could hang and wax geeky.
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Old 05-12-2019, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation View Post
I think there's bias from all parties during an interview. That's why having union representation is important. More perspectives lead to a better selection/result. Less perspective leads to worse outcomes.

FWIW, I've flown with a lot of pilots coming to us from regionals, 135 and corporate who bring a lot to the table. Often my strengths compliment their weaknesses and their strengths compliment my weaknesses. The problem isn't the human beings we're hiring. The problem is how we are training and treating them once they are here. We're consistently failing our pilots and relying on the knowledge they bring rather than the knowledge we imbue. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the company own their failures and announce any corrective action yet. There's still a lot of public back-patting going on at all levels despite killing three people. This makes me think we are still dangerously out of touch.
This is the most reasoned and rational post of the thread. Many of us in the ACMI world got accustomed to new hires who had thousands of hours of international time because they came from failed airlines. When we were new we were mentored by seasoned pilots. If you don't teach new pilots they can't learn. (this goes for both the companies and the pilot groups)
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Old 05-12-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation View Post
I think there's bias from all parties during an interview. That's why having union representation is important. More perspectives lead to a better selection/result. Less perspective leads to worse outcomes.

FWIW, I've flown with a lot of pilots coming to us from regionals, 135 and corporate who bring a lot to the table. Often my strengths compliment their weaknesses and their strengths compliment my weaknesses. The problem isn't the human beings we're hiring. The problem is how we are training and treating them once they are here. We're consistently failing our pilots and relying on the knowledge they bring rather than the knowledge we imbue. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the company own their failures and announce any corrective action yet. There's still a lot of public back-patting going on at all levels despite killing three people. This makes me think we are still dangerously out of touch.
Perfectly stated.
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Old 05-12-2019, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by lgaflyer View Post
Rock what boat? So are you saying "union pilots" use the hiring process as a leverage? During negotiation, they decline 99% of the interviewees even though they are fully qualified as a way so company cannot get pilots so would come to the table and negotiate. During normal times, they would hire 99% of the same interviewees. That would be despicable! They are wasting company's time/money and more importantly, wasted time/money of the interviewees.

If that is the case, then company is right to put retired pilots who are involved in training in the interview process. They are more neutral and unbiased. It's not like they randomly use any retired pilots.
That is not only not what I said, that also isn't what happened at all. I bet nobody could ever charge you with lack of creativity though.
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Old 05-12-2019, 11:49 AM
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So much for romanticized Facebook recruiting.
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Old 05-12-2019, 12:55 PM
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To the Sky Gods,

Some of us were not born as 747 Captains,
Some of us require training,
Some of us require guidance,
Some of us require more then one oceanic crossing,
Some of us don’t have 5000hrs heavy time,
Some of us require a Captain willing to share their experience,
Some of us require that you offer mentor ship as per FOM,
Some of us can’t read your mind,
Some of us are here because we enjoy it,
Some of us are here because we want to be here,
Some of us did not come from the Navy,
Some of us did not come from the Air Force,
Some of us did not come from Airforce One,
Some of us weren’t born as 747 Captains.....
Forgive us.
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