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Old 05-09-2019, 02:36 PM   #1  
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Default High Failure Rates - Atlas / Southern

So, the head of training and the fleet captain finally admit to the high bust rate for initial training. They want to address all the failures by failing more new hires earlier in training to avoid the high failure rate on the FAA type rating.

No discussion about raising the minimum requirements to get hired above the legal minimums. No discussion about a new and improved CBA to attract pilots with experience likely to successfully carry one through training.

Come to Atlas or Southern. If you are not sure if you have what it takes, we will sort it out for you. If you don't have what it takes, we will give you a pink slip you will have for the rest of your career requiring an explanation for all future interviews. Good Luck!
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Come to Atlas or Southern. If you are not sure if you have what it takes, we will sort it out for you. If you don't have what it takes, we will give you a pink slip you will have for the rest of your career requiring an explanation for all future interviews. Good Luck!
Which at that IS better than letting you kill yourself by putting you into a position you didnít have the experience for when we recruited you anyway.
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Anyone considering Atlas/Southern had better understand that there is enormous jeopardy that your training will NOT be successful.

Atlas/Southern rely on self study methods, so the burden is entirely on the candidate to pass or at least self-identify their own training deficiencies... You don't know what you don't know, making this nearly impossible absent constant evaluation by a qualified instructor or substantial experience to draw upon as you progress.

The bigger message needs to be that Atlas does not have an AQP program and still relies on 1950ís style training which relies upon and demands that a candidate have a high level of proficiency in type or an equivalent aircraft.

The staggering increase in Busts and no recommends and even terminations of incoming new-hires is revealing the inadequacy of the training program.

It's not that the instructors or new-hires aren't trying, it's that the system currently in use is a set-up for failure for those lacking 5,000+ hours of 121 international wide-body experience.

Luck simply will not cut it, experience is the surest pathway forward for anyone taking on this type of training scenario.
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Excargodog hit it on the head. I think Atlas demonstrated what happens when you donít bust weak pilots! Nuff said
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Letís be honest, though. Some of the people here just donít have what it takes. You canít always figure that out during an interview. Iíve seen strong, skilled aviators fall flat in their face and Iíve seen weak pilots become FOís because they met the standards.
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Thatís the problem Dave.
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How exactly are we supposed to figure this out? Atlas kicked the pilot group out of the interview process, which was excellent BTW. HR hires the pilots and that begs the question, What do they know about hiring pilots? No logbook review, no sim ride, and judging from recent history - no PRIA review either.
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Which at that IS better than letting you kill yourself by putting you into a position you didnít have the experience for when we recruited you anyway.
No argument there. It is sad...no, it is criminal that we have ended up where we are.
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How exactly are we supposed to figure this out? Atlas kicked the pilot group out of the interview process, which was excellent BTW. HR hires the pilots and that begs the question, What do they know about hiring pilots? No logbook review, no sim ride, and judging from recent history - no PRIA review either.
No FAA oversight either!
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