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05-16-2019, 01:48 PM

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JackStraw

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Originally Posted by gypsypilot

My 2018 W2 for Atlas 747 FO said $49,000. That was 3 months on new hire training pay and 9 months on regular first year pay. I haven’t made that little flying airplanes since 2005.

Good decision.

05-16-2019, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsypilot

My 2018 W2 for Atlas 747 FO said $49,000. That was 3 months on new hire training pay and 9 months on regular first year pay. I haven’t made that little flying airplanes since 2005.

Sounds like 2019 won't be much better... But you'll stick around. I mean after all, you get to fly the whale!!!

05-16-2019, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by No Land 3

First year at Kalitta 747 FO was 136k, 2nd year was 168k gross. That was with some OT, not much. We had FO's do high 200's with lots of OT.
Will be interesting to see how this year will shape out with much higher staffing levels, but I don't think any work rules at Atlas will cut the gap.

Wow, that’s awesome! Kalitta definitely seems like a great place to be.

05-16-2019, 05:44 PM

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Wow, that’s awesome! Kalitta definitely seems like a great place to be.

Maybe 3 years ago. First year FO are lucky to even break 100k.

05-16-2019, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverside

Maybe 3 years ago. First year FO are lucky to even break 100k.

I did just over 130k last year... but do tell.

05-17-2019, 03:09 AM

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orka

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I did just over 130k last year... but do tell.

its different now

05-17-2019, 03:19 AM

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Riverside

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Originally Posted by robi523

I did just over 130k last year... but do tell.

Last year when OT was available and you flew almost everyday. I averaged 94 hours a month last year. This year 70.

05-17-2019, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Riverside

Last year when OT was available and you flew almost everyday. I averaged 94 hours a month last year. This year 70.

During the doldrums 2011-14 it was much the same, ACMI is always cyclical,ride the waves, 4 day layovers in Riga, ANC, and HK helped alleviate the ennui during the slow times.

05-17-2019, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Riverside

Last year when OT was available and you flew almost everyday. I averaged 94 hours a month last year. This year 70.

I think this will be the near future for all ACMI carriers. Globally things are not looking good. This, I think, plays into the hands of Atlas Management. They possibly have the ability to shift more flying to AMZ to cover their leases. This will possibly force the union to take a concessionary contract due to mounting pressure from unrealistic new hire pilots. Plan to live on guarantee, and if you cannot, move to another segment of the market.

It is more important now that ever before to stand behind your Union. Atlas is staffed with what I see as the best management team out there regarding strategic operations. They seem to have an inside track on when to expand and when to pull back. They are a daunting task for the union negotiators in even good times. If things go globally bad.......

I have no dog in this fight but plenty of friends who do. Either get behind the union negotiators or get a new job. To do anything else will result in failure.